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21 Aug 2012, 9:29 pm

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That one is definitely harder, I even used pen and paper and couldn't figure out the pattern =(.
Can I have just this one clue? Does it follow a similar mechanic as the previous one, but maybe with more steps involved? Or should I look at it from other angle?

And I've been wondering for some time... strong logical thought is definitely a big factor of mathematical ability, but it must not be the only one then.

*snatches maths from Kjas and hides them*

*onerous and deep voice* There shall be no more needless spilling of blood today

Re: Bolded part.

Depends - maybe a bit but not totally.
I can work out maths by a combination of strong logical skills, identifying patterns and using drawings to solve equations, either mentally or physically, to an very advanced level compared to the general population.

Apart from that numbers are like chinese for me. If it weren't for a fairly high IQ, I would be considered to have, (actually I do have) dyscalculia.

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22 Aug 2012, 2:46 am

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Dear Professor X, Your ancestry and your research into your family's history is so admirable!
More people need to do genealogical research, and listen to the older family members while they are still alive; they are living history!

Sylkat

One thing about that...you put faith in old pieces of paper. If great-great grandma had an affair and some other man fathered her children, then her husband isn't your great-great grandpa and that whole line is wrong.

If people unable to conceive adopted and there's no record of adoption, then those people really aren't your kin, and you wouldn't know.

You may also confuse great grandpa's second wife for your great grandmother, when it was actually his first wife you're related to, once again that whole line is wrong.

Just saying.

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22 Aug 2012, 8:17 am

Shatbat: Yeah, it is a bit trickier. I made it up once while I was trying to solve the old one (because I was trying EVERYTHING; it actually took me about 12 hours to figure it out. Human stupidity has no limits). The mechanism is slightly similar to that of the previous puzzle, but not in the way you seem to be suggesting. What I can tell you is this: if you are an alien from the planet Xolb'hortegun, and you have never been to earth; anything native to earth, man-made or otherwise, is completely foreign to you. There were no "coincidences" between Earth and Xolb'hortegun or Earthlings and Xolb'hortegunians; besides the fact that that both Earthlings and Xolb'hortegun are developed, technologically and mathematically advanced species, they have nothing in common.

Anyway, if you were from Xolb'hortegun and given this riddle, you would not be able to figure it out if you knew nothing of Earth.

Now, I probably didn't have to go through that whole rant to make my point, but if I had said it straight, I might have accidentally given a bigger hint.

And I don't think logical thinking alone would work for this one. Like the other puzzle, you have to realize something first.

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22 Aug 2012, 8:40 pm

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1, 3, 8, 15, 22, 32, 42, 51, 58...

Google only returns results for these numbers from WP.net! Are you sure you didn't just throw a bunch of random numbers together?

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25 Aug 2012, 4:48 am

Dear Again-with-this, You are SO right!
There is no way to know what/ who you really are like DNA tests!
For instance if your kid or you develop something like Tay-Sachs or Sickle Cell Anemia, when you thought your ancestry had no Jewish or African members!

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25 Aug 2012, 5:07 pm

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1, 3, 8, 15, 22, 32, 42, 51, 58...

Google only returns results for these numbers from WP.net! Are you sure you didn't just throw a bunch of random numbers together?

I promise I didn't string those numbers together randomly. The series, though it may not seem like it, is just as logical as the series I posted earlier. If you don't believe me, I will either tell you the answer, or swear on anything you want that I'm telling the truth. Whichever you prefer.

And as for why you didn't find it on the internet, it's probably because I invented it, and as far as I know no one else has come up with it independently. Right now (assuming no one else came up with it independently) the only people who know about it are the people who have read this post and a few friends of mine, and anyone those people have told--so probably not many.

Of course, it's far more likely that someone came up with it independently.

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26 Aug 2012, 11:46 pm

(1*1),(2*2-1),(3*3-1),(4*4-1),(5*5-3),(6*6-4),(7*7-7),(8*8-13),(9*9-23),...

So now there is 1,1,3,4,7,13,23

So now... 1,1,3,(4+1),(4+3),(7+4+(2)),(13+7(+3))

so the next should be 10*10-(23+13+(4))=60

And then 11*11-(40+13+(5))=63

Then 12*12-(58+40+(6))=40

So it should be 1, 3, 8, 15, 22, 32, 42, 51, 58, 60, 63, 40, ...

I may be wrong though.

More so...

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1, 4, 8, 13, 21, 30, 36, 45...

I can't figure that one.

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27 Aug 2012, 1:32 am

Think I got it I hate counting in English took me five minutes.
It gave me a headache.

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27 Aug 2012, 7:58 am

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As a pure mathematical process it would mean my solution is definetlly wrong then, well... at least I tried...
I suck at lateral thinking, so I guess I won't be able to solve it.

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27 Aug 2012, 8:07 am

johnny: yeah. Sorry about that, johnny. I didn't realize somethin like that would happen.

Tollorin: Wow, that's complicated. The answer is MUCH simpler. I mean it's a one-step process, like the Fibonacci sequence. Good for you for figuring out something, anyway. But it doesn't work, because the next numbers are like this...

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1, 3, 8, 15, 22, 32, 42, 51, 58, 70, 73, 81, 100, 102...

And the sequence never goes down. Unlike in your version, Tollorin, you'll never find a number less than 100 after you've gone past 100.

Also, the solution you came up with doesn't completely work, because, if I'm following it right, there's no pattern with the numbers you originally subtract from all those squares. Of course, there's a very good chance I'm not following it right, cause I was never good at following equations.

As for this

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1, 4, 8, 13, 21, 30, 36, 45...

Just keep trying. An interesting thing about that sequence is that there is a large percentage of people in the world who would think it was like this...

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1, 4, 10, 14, 21, 30, 37...

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27 Aug 2012, 8:14 am

Tollorin: Yeah, there are some puzzles that people just get and you're like, WHAT ARE YOUS TALKIN ABOUT I DONT GET IT!! !! ! but really it was kinda stupid anyway. Like once there was this riddle that I never solved, and everyone I told it to (after giving up and hearing the answer) was able to figure it out within 10 seconds.

If anyone wants the answer to either riddle, I'll send it by PM, cause otherwise people who don't wanna know it might see it by accident.

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27 Aug 2012, 8:30 am

Lol I totally get the second sequence.Check my location :wink:

With more data, I'll have a go again at it.

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27 Aug 2012, 8:36 am

Shatbat: Just to make sure you got it, please post the continuation of the sequence after 102.

You're in south america? cool!

Or does that have something to do with what u think the answer to the puzzle is? cause i don't think it does...

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27 Aug 2012, 9:04 am

I meant your other sequence, the one you said there was a large part of the world who saw it like that. 1, 4, 10, 14, 21, 30, 37, 50, 59, 74, 88 and so on.

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27 Aug 2012, 9:42 am

oh, that one. I see.

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27 Aug 2012, 5:50 pm

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johnny: yeah. Sorry about that, johnny. I didn't realize somethin like that would happen.

Any one who has read my posts and answer the question will get the issue I had with it. :lol:

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