Does it upset you when ill people reproduce?

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27 Apr 2010, 6:55 pm

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Though personally I think it is irresponsible for Aspies to reproduce too. I would never have children because I wouldn't want my children to be autistic and go through what I had to.


Not trying to argue with your feelings, but I often envy my kid for everything he has that wasn't available when I was young. Chewy tools. Adaptive PE. Understanding teachers. (This is luck, of course, from what I hear from my friends, plenty of Special Ed teachers suck.) I'm not saying his life isn't hard, but there are so many more resources now. When he comes home and tells me they did parachute play in PE, I just want to cry with happiness. When I was his age, I was already being picked last and yelled at constantly for my mistakes.

And of course, computers and the Internet make life so much better for many of us.

I guess my point is, your kids wouldn't necessarily go through what you did. They would have their own unique experiences.


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27 Apr 2010, 7:09 pm

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I think its definietely troubling, especially when you can pass on your deathly physical ailments to your children, then I do think its wrong to reproduce.

@ Makuronososhi - Though the OP did not bring ASD into the equation, it could certainly apply as there are those out there who believe ASD sufferers shouldn't reproduce either.

Though personally I think it is irresponsible for Aspies to reproduce too. I would never have children because I wouldn't want my children to be autistic and go through what I had to.


But if we prosper and outnumber the NTs it would be better for the children than it had been for us, and they can take over the world. Seriously, children are being identified very rapidly now from what I have read. Things could be better for them, realistically. But when we are talking mitochondrial disease, fragile X, and such, for which there is no treatment or cure, only certain early death, it would be irresponsible to try to have children. It is why people have genetic counseling and sometimes try to have a certain gender to avoid passing on dangerous illnesses.


Not at all relaistic because there simply isn't enough autistics in the worls to be able to reproduce enough children to outnumber NTs



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27 Apr 2010, 7:14 pm

OMG thats a joke



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27 Apr 2010, 7:32 pm

honestly speaking i never thought i would come across this question form a site like this that support people who are different. so i guess me having a genetic disorder very very very mild case of neurifibromatosis in my child have a 50 percent of chance of getting it, i bet since i want my own child one day i'm probably in awful person to you, or hell maybe my whole family should be sterilize since nf, mental retardation, depression autism macrophaly precious puberty
adhd add eye problems ect runs in my family. maybe our family don't derserve to grow because of a chance of a baby that don't fit society standers of who can live a happy life,
you know the one thing i hate the most is when i see people say someone is suffering when 99% of the time that person is happier then you. I 'm sad now good night.



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27 Apr 2010, 8:07 pm

pumibel wrote:
OMG thats a joke


Sorry I didn't read your full post when I responded. Only the first half of it.



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27 Apr 2010, 8:12 pm

It doesn't bother me. I'm a pretty happy person and I think I could raise a happy child, aspie or not. A loving household goes a long way.



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27 Apr 2010, 8:12 pm

Women having babies so they have someone there is worse. It's just the wrong reason to entirely. I mean buy a cat or build a robot.
Or to save a relationship.



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27 Apr 2010, 9:35 pm

The responses here disappoint me... I appreciate and agree with those who say it is a matter of responsibility and personal decisions that ultimately determine whether a couple should have children. But no one here is advocating eugenics, as some recents comments would seem to imply. Some conditions affect an individual; others have a much more pervasive influence. Having a child is their decision; my finding it cruel another thing entirely. I have a son on the spectrum, and would have him again in a heartbeat. Due to the combined risks for my wife and any potential children, we've decided not to have kids (plus it cuts into Playstation time)... again, a matter of choice. But given the specifics of my ex's situation, I find their decision appalling.


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27 Apr 2010, 9:43 pm

I find it sickening when people who have AIDS choose to have kids. If they adopted, I would be find with it.

About people who have sicknesses you can't die from, I am indifferent to it.



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28 Apr 2010, 12:15 pm

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I find it sickening when people who have AIDS choose to have kids. If they adopted, I would be find with it.

About people who have sicknesses you can't die from, I am indifferent to it.


What the f**k?
Why would people be that stupid? UGH.
And I'm not supporting eugenics. I was just wondering if anyone else gets angered by plainly ill people's decisions to pass on their genes.



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28 Apr 2010, 11:34 pm

I am sorry if I came off as mean, but I was born with a defective heart, scoliosis and juvenile diabetes so I get mad, I want to have a child and if you don't like that then please don't voice your opinions on me or anyone else. Just because I have these issues doesn't stop me from wanting a family. When you say anyone with defective genes shouldn't pass them on sounds like Eugenics to me, you should try to be more careful saying these things when there are others on this forum with all sorts of different congenital health issues.



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29 Apr 2010, 12:05 am

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I am sorry if I came off as mean, but I was born with a defective heart, scoliosis and juvenile diabetes so I get mad, I want to have a child and if you don't like that then please don't voice your opinions on me or anyone else. Just because I have these issues doesn't stop me from wanting a family. When you say anyone with defective genes shouldn't pass them on sounds like Eugenics to me, you should try to be more careful saying these things when there are others on this forum with all sorts of different congenital health issues.


Sorry, but for you to have children with the risk of passing on those ailments to your children is just selfish. It has nothing to do with eugenics, its just common sense.



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29 Apr 2010, 2:07 am

Call me selfish if you like but my dad has diabetics, my grandfather had it, my mom's cousin son has it. I also have scoliosis but it's very mild it doesn't effect me so the doctors consider it normal. ADHD and communication problems, and learning difficulties also run in my family and depression and color blindness. Aspies traits also run in my family and I have an aunt with schizophrenia and my mom has arthritis. I still want to have kids.



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29 Apr 2010, 2:27 am

Spazzergasm wrote:
It isn't irony. With the right education someone with AS can lead a pretty normal life and it isn't ongoing.

And her problems are all very genetically embedded. That's why it bugs me.


All the outcome studies of individuals with AS say otherwise, and it's a lifelong condition. Anyway, who's to define what's a normal life (what, like how the majority live? There's nothing special about that way of life)? The happiest individual I've known has Down's with severe mental retardation. Most women would probably have had him put down. I admire him.

ASDs are genetic.



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29 Apr 2010, 2:44 am

Bugzee wrote:
I think its definietely troubling, especially when you can pass on your deathly physical ailments to your children, then I do think its wrong to reproduce.

@ Makuronososhi - Though the OP did not bring ASD into the equation, it could certainly apply as there are those out there who believe ASD sufferers shouldn't reproduce either.

Though personally I think it is irresponsible for Aspies to reproduce too. I would never have children because I wouldn't want my children to be autistic and go through what I had to.


I have a child, and I'm an Aspie. Sure, when I was a kid, I took a of of crap; but I sincerely believe special education, with its emphasis on inclusion into the larger student body, is better than what we had growing up. My daughter will have a better childhood than I did.

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29 Apr 2010, 3:20 am

Bugzee wrote:
Friskeygirl wrote:
I am sorry if I came off as mean, but I was born with a defective heart, scoliosis and juvenile diabetes so I get mad, I want to have a child and if you don't like that then please don't voice your opinions on me or anyone else. Just because I have these issues doesn't stop me from wanting a family. When you say anyone with defective genes shouldn't pass them on sounds like Eugenics to me, you should try to be more careful saying these things when there are others on this forum with all sorts of different congenital health issues.


Sorry, but for you to have children with the risk of passing on those ailments to your children is just selfish. It has nothing to do with eugenics, its just common sense.

I don't think you should either, to many people like you around, What should I do do hang myself because I am not good enough
to have children, what gives you the right to talk to me that. its eugenics your forcing on me your no better then a nazi!