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13 Apr 2011, 1:45 pm

People replying to this thread seem to think "dialect" means the same as "accent."

It doesn't. "Accent" means the way you pronounce the words. The words themselves remain unaltered. "Dialect" means the words you are saying are completely different, and require translation (see the OP's example) because a dialect is a variant of your country's official language, not just a different way of pronouncing it. It is noticable in both written and spoken form, whereas accent is only noticable in spoken form.

Back on topic: examples of my local dialect.

Oor gaan oot the morn = I'm/we're going out tomorrow.

Dinny fash yersel = don't worry about it.

Yow're gey glekit = you're really stupid.

Divvy ken whit oor awn aboot? = Can you see what I'm trying to say?

And of course the inevitable:

nae bother = don't mention it.



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13 Apr 2011, 1:48 pm

phil777 wrote:
Is this thread reserved to english accents? Or can i add my french canadian dialect? :p (which includes some anglicisms)


I would imagine most English people are familiar with other English accents, and would appreciate hearing something a little more exotic. :) I'm not sure if I've ever heard a french canadian dialect before...



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13 Apr 2011, 1:51 pm

:wall:

As I've just tried to point out, accents and dialects are two completely different things.

*gives up and goes away*



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13 Apr 2011, 2:03 pm

Further to the post from all_white,here is an extract from a language programme,called 'Parliamo Glasgow',a comical take on how folk
from Glasgow/west of Scotland would speak in the local dialect,if uninhibited by the need to use standard English !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpVD5-IKAIo&feature=related


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13 Apr 2011, 2:20 pm

all_white wrote:
:wall:

As I've just tried to point out, accents and dialects are two completely different things.

*gives up and goes away*



We posted at the same time. It's only meant to be a light hearted discussion isn't it? I wasn't aware I needed to bring my PhD in Linguistics to the forum.



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13 Apr 2011, 2:31 pm

Henbane wrote:
It's only meant to be a light hearted discussion isn't it? I wasn't aware I needed to bring my PhD in Linguistics to the forum.


I am sorry if (as usual) I was taking it far too literally and being too earnest. I just don't know any other way to be. :oops:

I am a linguist, and therefore I get excited about explaining certain things to people. It's very hard to restrain myself and remind myself that NOBODY CARES about my special interests. They only care about theirs, which, of course, makes perfect sense. :wink:

*sigh*

Do you really have a PhD in Linguistics, or was that a joke / sarcasm? (I am feeling hopeful and tentatively excited, but preparing myself to feel crushed upon being told it was in fact sarcasm).



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13 Apr 2011, 2:37 pm

all_white wrote:
Henbane wrote:
It's only meant to be a light hearted discussion isn't it? I wasn't aware I needed to bring my PhD in Linguistics to the forum.


I am sorry if (as usual) I was taking it far too literally and being too earnest. I just don't know any other way to be. :oops:

I am a linguist, and therefore I get excited about explaining certain things to people. It's very hard to restrain myself and remind myself that NOBODY CARES about my special interests. They only care about theirs, which, of course, makes perfect sense. :wink:

*sigh*

Do you really have a PhD in Linguistics, or was that a joke / sarcasm? (I am feeling hopeful and tentatively exctited, but preparing myself to feel crushed upon being told it was in fact sarcasm).



Sorry to disappoint you again, but no PhD in linguistics here.

It's not that I don't care about your special interest, but that I was trying to write my post while you were writing yours. It takes me a fairly long time to write, and rewrite the same sentence, so I hadn't read your post before I pressed submit. The fact that we are posting on the same thread suggests that we do have an interest in the same subject, just that you know a lot more about it than I do. :)



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13 Apr 2011, 2:51 pm

I see. Thank you for explaining. I'd better get it back on topic by posting a dialect video. That Glasgow one was great. I can't find any videos of my local dialect, so here's one for the trekkies. Star Trek gets the Glasgow treatment:

(edit: em, no, actually, the video claims to be based on Tayside dialect, not Glaswegian, but it's hard to tell, since the actors are probably faking, and seem to be doing a stereotypical Glaswegian thing. One of them slips now and then and sounds decidedly Irish, but anyway, it's still good for a laugh!)


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlfGQtIXlWA[/youtube]



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13 Apr 2011, 3:04 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb6OncwTtLk&feature=fvst[/youtube]

Quebecois accent/dialect (sorry for you non-French speakers lol)


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13 Apr 2011, 3:12 pm

Did I just hear that right?

My French skills are very limited. Very limited indeed. Did you just say "instead of saying donc or parce-que in a sentence, we sometimes say....."

...and you then went on to say a word that sounded very much like a certain word in the English language that begins with an F?

LOL

What was it?

What a cute little girl, by the way! Awwwwwwwwwww.



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13 Apr 2011, 3:51 pm

all_white wrote:
People replying to this thread seem to think "dialect" means the same as "accent."

It doesn't. "Accent" means the way you pronounce the words. The words themselves remain unaltered. "Dialect" means the words you are saying are completely different, and require translation (see the OP's example) because a dialect is a variant of your country's official language, not just a different way of pronouncing it. It is noticable in both written and spoken form, whereas accent is only noticable in spoken form.

Back on topic: examples of my local dialect.

Oor gaan oot the morn = I'm/we're going out tomorrow.

Dinny fash yersel = don't worry about it.

Yow're gey glekit = you're really stupid.

Divvy ken whit oor awn aboot? = Can you see what I'm trying to say?

And of course the inevitable:

nae bother = don't mention it.


Hey y'all.
I choose to write in scholarly American English because my dialect is considered as uneducated as a dog raised by chickens. You certainly do not want to see me write how the words are pronounced and used. I supposed you can check out anyone trying to make fun of Tea Party Patriots. A southern stereotype is used for that. If you don't believe it's different enough to qualify as a dialect, try placing someone who has English as a second or third language into a room full of American raised Southerners. Get 'er done!



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13 Apr 2011, 4:45 pm

wefunction wrote:
Hey y'all.
I choose to write in scholarly American English because my dialect is considered as uneducated as a dog raised by chickens. You certainly do not want to see me write how the words are pronounced and used. I supposed you can check out anyone trying to make fun of Tea Party Patriots. A southern stereotype is used for that. If you don't believe it's different enough to qualify as a dialect, try placing someone who has English as a second or third language into a room full of American raised Southerners. Get 'er done!


I can believe that.

My mum went to visit a distant cousin in Texas and brought me back a funny book as a souvenir. It was full of funny dialect used by Texans, teaching tourists how to talk like a Texan, should the need arise.

Sadly, I found it indecipharable. It was wasted on a mere tourist with no local knowledge, because no translations were provided. I threw the book away. :oops:

Dialect requires translation!

wefunction wrote:
You certainly do not want to see me write how the words are pronounced and used.


We certainly do!

:cheers:

That's the whole point of this thread! Just saying "hey y'all" and "get 'er done" is not enough. We need more!

Bring it on!



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13 Apr 2011, 4:52 pm

all_white wrote:
I see. Thank you for explaining. I'd better get it back on topic by posting a dialect video. That Glasgow one was great. I can't find any videos of my local dialect, so here's one for the trekkies. Star Trek gets the Glasgow treatment:

(edit: em, no, actually, the video claims to be based on Tayside dialect, not Glaswegian, but it's hard to tell, since the actors are probably faking, and seem to be doing a stereotypical Glaswegian thing. One of them slips now and then and sounds decidedly Irish, but anyway, it's still good for a laugh!)


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlfGQtIXlWA[/youtube]

I love that skit! I've seen it like 30 times. :lol: I love the phrase "Ah go wa an dinna talk pish." But yes, you are correct about the difference between dialect and accent. English doesn't really have that many dialects, compared to a language like German at least.



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13 Apr 2011, 4:53 pm

all_white wrote:
Did I just hear that right?

My French skills are very limited. Very limited indeed. Did you just say "instead of saying donc or parce-que in a sentence, we sometimes say....."

...and you then went on to say a word that sounded very much like a certain word in the English language that begins with an F?

LOL

What was it?

What a cute little girl, by the way! Awwwwwwwwwww.


LOL 'fak' I think it would be spelled? or facque? That's not as bad as the French word for seal though... Phoque (I think that is the spelling)


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13 Apr 2011, 4:59 pm

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I love that skit! I've seen it like 30 times. :lol: But yes, you are correct about the difference between dialect and accent. English doesn't really have that many dialects, compared to a language like German at least.


Really? I had no idea. I don't speak German.

I am curious now. I wonder which, out of all the languages in the world, has the most dialects?

The continent with the most dialects would undoubtedly be Africa - but I'm possibly making an ignorant assumption there.

*Does some quick Googling*

Yes, it would seem to be Asia. Oops! :oops:

http://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question58540.html



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13 Apr 2011, 5:00 pm

France itself has several dialects, as does Spain and Germany and even Italy. I would say it is probably China though, or perhaps India. There are also a lot of related languages in Africa


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