Why are you not vegan?

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One simple answer..

If i could find a soy cheese or alternate cheese product without palm oil, i would swap this moment. As it is i only eat vegetarian cheese from a local organic farm. I also don't eat cow's milk products due to the calf's that are sacrificed. Goats milk and sheeps milk is a lot more sustainable.

Also i save a lot of money eating this way. We also are gluten free, nut free and seed free. My animals all eat free range kangaroo mince. They need meat so getting wild pest meat is best. They are also humanly killed not an abitoir job.

I feed my family of 3 for under 100 a week (50 pounds) and we are all very healthy.

Today my menu is
Breakfast: Stckey coconut rice with sliced bananas.
Morning tea: Corn chips with salsa and guacamole
Lunch: Mixed bean salad with olive oil and balsamic vinegar dressing.
Afternoon tea: Tropical muffins and some sulfur free dates.
Dinner: Sheep's milk brie rolled in breadcrumbs on skewers with french style wild rice and a green salad
Desert: Mango cheese cake made with tofu.

I'm a vegetarian. If I became a vegan, people would think it's all about the cute fluffy animals rather than the environmental impact.

Why am I not vegan?

I like bacon and eggs for breakfast. I like cheese on my pasta and salad. Burgers are a main staple in my diet, and chicken is mouth watering.

Oh... and because we're meant to be omnivores, not herbivores.

I LOVE MEAT
bacon
hot wings
shrimp
crab legs
double cheeseburger
sausage

Because I like the taste of meat. I have nothing against people who are vegans, though.

Because I like the taste of pork, lamb, chicken and beef too much. Oh, and sometimes duck, rabbit and springbok occasionally. Foie gras was quite nice, too.

Pass us the pork scratchings!

^^ Greetings TeaEarlGreyHot,

I believe that this little statement is very interesting and I believe that perhaps I have come across this statement from humans as an argument that I must eat meat.

However, I personally feel that this statement is simply stating "I have the ability to eat meat, therefore I must". Indeed, we see that this statement is uses the same logic friends as "I have the ability to inflict harm upon myself, therefore I must".

On the other hand, if you perhaps means that I may become unhealthy if I do not eat meat, then I feel that this happy problem is perhaps a little more difficult to solve. ^^ I personally do not eat meat and my body appears to be happy and healthy. I do not wish to unnecessarily promote suffering to so many individuals by eating meat.



^^ I believe I find this very interesting also hale_bopp. May I please ask, do you perhaps believe that plants may suffer? If so, do you believe that they suffer as greatly as many non humans, such as pigs or sheep etc. I agree very much that one must eat to survive and unfortunately one must eat poor living beings.

However, once we conclude that we shall eat to survive and not decide to pass away, then we may ask which individuals shall we eat? I wish to eat individuals in such a way that this minimizes suffering. I personally believe that plants, vegetables etc do not suffer, therefore I believe that I shall much prefer to eat these plants as opposed to those who may suffer greatly by my eating them.

^^ However I of course do not wish to suggest that any individuals must become vegetarians or vegans if they wish not to do so.

I am very sorry if I have been horrible.

I never said you *must* eat meat. I listed that as why I do.

I'm fully aware that a vegan diet done properly is very healthy and I know all the environmental factors involved. I simply don't care.

^^ Greetings again TeaEarlGreyHot,

I perhaps wondered that the "we're" included within your statement suggested that all humans should eat meat, because they are omnivores. I am very sorry if I was horrible. However within my response I just wished to include why I feel that your argument for eating meat does not apply to myself, in order to continue the discussion present within this topic.

We're built to be omnivores, but that was listed strictly as my reason for not being vegan.

A vegan diet done properly is healthy, question is how many of them do actually manage it properly? I've known people who were quite well versed in what they needed to do to sustain the diet, but i've also known others who were making themselves ill and I could actually see (as a health professional) signs on their face that they had some serious deficiencies going on there.

But if you are trying to claim politically that it is a more viable and sustainable diet then a more mixed one or vegetarianism you are seriously delluded. The amount of logistics and distribution required to bring to you all the wide variety of food you can eat as a vegan is polluting the earth with fossil fuel emissions. It's simply bollocks to claim its environmentally friendly. If its environmentally friendly then why are you eating all the plants

I'm sure there are people out there who engage in vegan diets based entirely on the food that is available in their local area. I.e. not imported and grown locally. You can do that on a local basis. Infact we could save ourselves a lot of time and resources making more use of coastal food and unused arable land but even so it ain't gonna sustain 70 million people.

Also in terms of our evolutionary history we were adapted for a neolithic diet. And that included meat, but we cherry pick the meat we buy today in our butchers and supermarkets. You eat the whole animal to gain all the vitamins and minerals from the other internal organs.

There is also a theory that modern humans missing link in the evolutionary chain was an "aquatic ape" species. You can see that in the health benefits of populations that exclusively eat fish due to living on the coast.

I used to be a Pescetarian Vegetarian for a chunk of my teen years. It probably is quite an ideal diet in some respects for health benefits

Man was meant to eat meat. Englishmen weren't meant to eat exotic fruits and other vegan fare. We do, sometimes, of course, but that doesn't mean we're supposed to.

I will raise my hand. I even have an avocado tree in my yard. I get 90percent of my produce from the farmers market down the road. I get my cheeses from a local farm. (We are vegan except cheese because vegan cheese has palm oil). Our cheese is all sheep or goat for sustainability.

Mushrooms are pure win though

I have two green gauge tree's and several apple tree's. But thats a garden city for you

We also have an allotment that my father has made into his project since he retired. We get loads of herbs, vegetables and berries from that

I'm still eating the green gauge and green tomatoe chutney we made from last years produce oh man it's food of the gods home made chutney



Does the rest of Sydney turn up and do the same Individually you can do things quite easily, its collectively distributing food to the entire population of cities thats the tricky part