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15 Apr 2011, 11:58 pm

I also think that it should be illegal for people to refuse to perform certain tasks of their career because it conflicts with their religious convictions. I believe that your career takes precedence over your personal beliefs, and if you won't do what you're being paid to do, then you should find yourself another job.


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16 Apr 2011, 12:08 am

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Any imported food or raw materials that can be produced locally should be made illegal. That inlcudes non-exotic cars - you want to sell it here then you should build it here end of


Are you willing to pay £1,500 or perhaps £2,000, say, for a TV that only costs £300-£400 at the moment? And also have far, far less choice?

You're asking for economic protectionism - no major party promotes that policy apart from, I think, the BNP.



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16 Apr 2011, 12:33 am

Being needlessly cruel.


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16 Apr 2011, 12:53 am

I am for as few laws as possible. It just seems to me that what laws we have are not fairly or evenly enforced. Now I am all for the consequences of breaking those few needed laws to be punitive enough to act as a legitimate deterrent. I am more for personal rights than protecting them from everything with layers of laws.



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16 Apr 2011, 3:08 am

Tequila wrote:
bucephalus wrote:
Any imported food or raw materials that can be produced locally should be made illegal. That inlcudes non-exotic cars - you want to sell it here then you should build it here end of


Are you willing to pay £1,500 or perhaps £2,000, say, for a TV that only costs £300-£400 at the moment? And also have far, far less choice?

You're asking for economic protectionism - no major party promotes that policy apart from, I think, the BNP.


Tequila, I see that you do not want to be in the EU either. I feel the same way for various reasons.

What do you think of the BNP's policies? How would it affect the UK. I am considering voting for them in the Scottish elections.


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16 Apr 2011, 3:23 am

PatrickNeville wrote:
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bucephalus wrote:
Any imported food or raw materials that can be produced locally should be made illegal. That inlcudes non-exotic cars - you want to sell it here then you should build it here end of


Are you willing to pay £1,500 or perhaps £2,000, say, for a TV that only costs £300-£400 at the moment? And also have far, far less choice?

You're asking for economic protectionism - no major party promotes that policy apart from, I think, the BNP.


Tequila, I see that you do not want to be in the EU either. I feel the same way for various reasons.


Their policies are bonkers. Aside from leaving the EU, we agree on very little.

The BNP have left-wing and socialist policies; UKIP has centre-right free-market ones. We want to leave the EU so we can better trade with the rest of the world. We want friendship and free-trade with the EU, not to be part of the stifling and expensive, autocratic bureaucracy of the EU.

The BNP wants to deport anyone who is non-white out of the country; UKIP is inclusive, multiracial and civic nationalist - one of the most well-known UKIP guys in East Lancs is actually a Muslim.

The BNP is authoritarian; UKIP is a different story in that while the leadership (and myself) are broadly libertarian, there is a very sizeable law and order conservative / hang 'em/flog 'em / social conservative element in the party.

The BNP supports the death penalty; UKIP doesn't.

Moreover, the BNP's ideology tends to be emotive rather than rational.



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16 Apr 2011, 3:29 am

If the BNP came to power the UK we would be treated as an international pariah. It would be like the National Front gaining power in France - there would be a lot of very frightened people scurrying for the exits.

Are you pro-devolutionist or anti-devolutionist?



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16 Apr 2011, 3:34 am

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Are you pro-devolutionist or anti-devolutionist?


I am not sure what that really means really.

From what you said in the post above this though it does sound as if the BNP are going very over the top in certain areas.


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16 Apr 2011, 3:35 am

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I am not sure what that really means really.


Do you want the Scottish Parliament to remain in operation or do you want to disband it?



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16 Apr 2011, 3:41 am

I won't say. I'd get flamed for 50 pages. 8)


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16 Apr 2011, 3:54 am

BNP's ideology on Wikipedia: British nationalism; Fascism; Right-wing populism; White nationalism; Euroscepticism; far-right.
UKIP's ideology on Wikipedia: Euroscepticism; Populism; National conservatism; Libertarianism; centre-right.

UKIP's Wiki
The BNP's Wiki



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16 Apr 2011, 3:58 am

Bethie wrote:
I won't say. I'd get flamed for 50 pages. 8)


Go on, SAY IT. lol

Tequila wrote:
PatrickNeville wrote:
I am not sure what that really means really.


Do you want the Scottish Parliament to remain in operation or do you want to disband it?


I would probably like the parliament to remain in operation.

Tequila wrote:
BNP's ideology on Wikipedia: British nationalism; Fascism; Right-wing populism; White nationalism; Euroscepticism; far-right.
UKIP's ideology on Wikipedia: Euroscepticism; Populism; National conservatism; Libertarianism; centre-right.

UKIP's Wiki
The BNP's Wiki



Do the BNP not have some black members? I am not doubting that there are many racist members amongst them but do remember that there is every chance that claims may be exaggerated to demonise certain minor parties.

Edit. there appears to be some evidence that the media is being biased based on the documentation the BNP obtained.
http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/medias-admis ... opposition

Personally, I will look at them in more detail as well as the UKIP as well.


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16 Apr 2011, 4:04 am

Extra baggy jeans on guys. Oh yeah, and that video cracked me up. :lol:


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16 Apr 2011, 4:06 am

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Do the BNP not have some black members?


Ian Paisley had some Roman Catholics voting for him in his constituency during his time as a Westminster MP and was a very good constituency MP by all accounts. It didn't stop him spouting his poisonous, sectarian, anti-Catholic bigotry at every turn during a time when Catholics were being murdered in his constituency though.

The BNP can be condemned out of their own mouths. I suspect the reason why there is a small number of black people in the BNP is because of the (now) anti-Muslim nature of the party, in common with many 'euronationalist' parties like France's Front National, which the BNP have relations with.

Also, the BNP has a neo-Nazi and violent past. Its original leader, John Tyndall, was virulently anti-Semitic and a neo-Nazi and the party has been associated with shaven heads and racist skinheads, like its predecessor, the National Front. UKIP doesn't have that association. The main thrust of UKIP support is often former Tories who want out of the EU. In fact, we've been called 'obsessive' many a time because that's the only thing Nigel ever talks about when he's on TV, like a broken record.

That's not to say that all, or even most, of their voters are racist skinheads. A lot of them vote BNP as a protest vote at their areas being swamped with immigrants. Their greatest support is generally in rough northern English mill towns where the population is divided.



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16 Apr 2011, 4:06 am

No, Patrick. STOP PRESSURING ME!! !


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16 Apr 2011, 4:21 am

Tequila wrote:
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Do the BNP not have some black members?


Ian Paisley had some Roman Catholics voting for him in his constituency during his time as a Westminster MP and was a very good constituency MP by all accounts. It didn't stop him spouting his poisonous, sectarian, anti-Catholic bigotry at every turn during a time when Catholics were being murdered in his constituency though.

The BNP can be condemned out of their own mouths. I suspect the reason why there is a small number of black people in the BNP is because of the (now) anti-Muslim nature of the party, in common with many 'euronationalist' parties like France's Front National, which the BNP have relations with.

Also, the BNP has a neo-Nazi and violent past. Its original leader, John Tyndall, was virulently anti-Semitic and a neo-Nazi and the party has been associated with shaven heads and racist skinheads, like its predecessor, the National Front. UKIP doesn't have that association. The main thrust of UKIP support is often former Tories who want out of the EU. In fact, we've been called 'obsessive' many a time because that's the only thing Nigel ever talks about when he's on TV, like a broken record.

That's not to say that all, or even most, of their voters are racist skinheads. A lot of them vote BNP as a protest vote at their areas being swamped with immigrants. Their greatest support is generally in rough northern English mill towns where the population is divided.


Ok. I've bookmarked the UKIP's page to look at later on.


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