29 May 2011, 5:12 pm
29 May 2011, 5:20 pm
Oodain wrote:
the danish military have open house once a year, it provides one with a very nice look at their procedures and equipment.
i tried both of those weapons at this event, as well as a crash course in battlefield engineering and a quick course in aircraft recognition.
probing for mines is kinda thrilling even when they are duds.
i think they even advertise it in english at the danish army's website.
the mg3 even comes in a variant using a nightvision scope, how to use that equipment to any effect while firing is beyond me
the 7.62 round really is wonderfull at projecting brute force.
i tried both of those weapons at this event, as well as a crash course in battlefield engineering and a quick course in aircraft recognition.
probing for mines is kinda thrilling even when they are duds.
i think they even advertise it in english at the danish army's website.
the mg3 even comes in a variant using a nightvision scope, how to use that equipment to any effect while firing is beyond me
the 7.62 round really is wonderfull at projecting brute force.
now i have to visit denmark
@Em, is there anything that doesn't get you all hot & bothered?
29 May 2011, 9:33 pm
Oodain wrote:
Amazing that those things are still accurate enough to justify mounting a modern holosight on one, I'm sure making the mounting was an interesting piece of engineering. I shot an old 8mm one at a machinegun shoot in Colorado once, it was pretty fun to fire from the shoulder since the fire rate kept you from feeling the individual rounds recoiling and you could really lean into it. Aside from the weight it was quite well behaved, the USAS12 I also shot was far more unpleasant to shoot.
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29 May 2011, 10:14 pm
i find that any 12 gauge will have quite the kick, i cant imagine a fully automatic one.
the only rifle i have fired that exceeded that by a great amount was a 12.7mm custom hunting rifle, holy 
as mentioned before they actually put x4 night vision scopes on the mg3, they say in very short bursts it is actually usefull, i stil want to see it to believe it, didnt know they were rechambered in 8mm,now im curious, what kind of cartridges did it fire?
30 May 2011, 3:27 am
since we got back to wwII, the Sturmgewehr 44.
[img][800:382]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Sturmgewehr_44.jpg[/img]
considered to be the first assault rifle, it fired a 7.92mm iirc..
you can see the influence it had on the AK47
30 May 2011, 9:01 am
30 May 2011, 10:39 am
Dox47 wrote:
Oodain wrote:
Amazing that those things are still accurate enough to justify mounting a modern holosight on one, I'm sure making the mounting was an interesting piece of engineering. I shot an old 8mm one at a machinegun shoot in Colorado once, it was pretty fun to fire from the shoulder since the fire rate kept you from feeling the individual rounds recoiling and you could really lean into it. Aside from the weight it was quite well behaved, the USAS12 I also shot was far more unpleasant to shoot.
I never would have thought to put an Eotech on and MG-42 variant but I guess it might work as long as mounting t to the heat shield, like it appears to be here, doesn't expose it to too much heat from sustained fire. At first glance I thought it was mounted to the rear sight base but the rear sight is still visible.
There are still several countries that use a variant of the MG-42. There had been plans for the US to adopt it late in WWII by reverse engineering of captured MG-42s. The design mods for it to fire 30-06 as opposed to it's original 7.92X57mm were supposedly sabotaged to keep the Browning M1919 in production. That and there was no doubt some resistance to US troops officially fielding an enemy weapon.
30 May 2011, 1:12 pm
Raptor wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
Oodain wrote:
Amazing that those things are still accurate enough to justify mounting a modern holosight on one, I'm sure making the mounting was an interesting piece of engineering. I shot an old 8mm one at a machinegun shoot in Colorado once, it was pretty fun to fire from the shoulder since the fire rate kept you from feeling the individual rounds recoiling and you could really lean into it. Aside from the weight it was quite well behaved, the USAS12 I also shot was far more unpleasant to shoot.
I never would have thought to put an Eotech on and MG-42 variant but I guess it might work as long as mounting t to the heat shield, like it appears to be here, doesn't expose it to too much heat from sustained fire. At first glance I thought it was mounted to the rear sight base but the rear sight is still visible.
There are still several countries that use a variant of the MG-42. There had been plans for the US to adopt it late in WWII by reverse engineering of captured MG-42s. The design mods for it to fire 30-06 as opposed to it's original 7.92X57mm were supposedly sabotaged to keep the Browning M1919 in production. That and there was no doubt some resistance to US troops officially fielding an enemy weapon.
Didnt the US develop a MG based on the MG-42 and used to in Veitman before switching to FN MAG's
30 May 2011, 4:55 pm
the big guy getting armed. he was already dangerous.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcCJ24MozOg[/youtube]
this scene always make me wonder.. surely there were more effective weapons in that store, aside from the pistol maybe.. but anyways.
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30 May 2011, 6:44 pm
30 May 2011, 7:34 pm
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99NHb6B03s[/youtube]
30 May 2011, 7:50 pm
Hermid wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
Oodain wrote:
Amazing that those things are still accurate enough to justify mounting a modern holosight on one, I'm sure making the mounting was an interesting piece of engineering. I shot an old 8mm one at a machinegun shoot in Colorado once, it was pretty fun to fire from the shoulder since the fire rate kept you from feeling the individual rounds recoiling and you could really lean into it. Aside from the weight it was quite well behaved, the USAS12 I also shot was far more unpleasant to shoot.
I never would have thought to put an Eotech on and MG-42 variant but I guess it might work as long as mounting t to the heat shield, like it appears to be here, doesn't expose it to too much heat from sustained fire. At first glance I thought it was mounted to the rear sight base but the rear sight is still visible.
There are still several countries that use a variant of the MG-42. There had been plans for the US to adopt it late in WWII by reverse engineering of captured MG-42s. The design mods for it to fire 30-06 as opposed to it's original 7.92X57mm were supposedly sabotaged to keep the Browning M1919 in production. That and there was no doubt some resistance to US troops officially fielding an enemy weapon.
Didnt the US develop a MG based on the MG-42 and used to in Veitman before switching to FN MAG's
The M-60 has a feed mechanism taken from the MG-42 but that's about it.
The M-60 is a lot different other than that.
30 May 2011, 7:58 pm
Fudo wrote:
the big guy getting armed. he was already dangerous.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcCJ24MozOg[/youtube]
this scene always make me wonder.. surely there were more effective weapons in that store, aside from the pistol maybe.. but anyways.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcCJ24MozOg[/youtube]
this scene always make me wonder.. surely there were more effective weapons in that store, aside from the pistol maybe.. but anyways.
Notice how big the laser on that .45 was compared to now......
30 May 2011, 10:33 pm
Oodain wrote:
i find that any 12 gauge will have quite the kick, i cant imagine a fully automatic one.
the only rifle i have fired that exceeded that by a great amount was a 12.7mm custom hunting rifle, holy
as mentioned before they actually put x4 night vision scopes on the mg3, they say in very short bursts it is actually usefull, i stil want to see it to believe it, didnt know they were rechambered in 8mm,now im curious, what kind of cartridges did it fire?
the only rifle i have fired that exceeded that by a great amount was a 12.7mm custom hunting rifle, holy
as mentioned before they actually put x4 night vision scopes on the mg3, they say in very short bursts it is actually usefull, i stil want to see it to believe it, didnt know they were rechambered in 8mm,now im curious, what kind of cartridges did it fire?
What I was shooting was actually an original German MG42, and 8mm (or 7.92 Mauser to be precise) was the original chambering; the MG3 virtually the same gun rechambered to 7.62 Nato, I believe some actually are made from WWII war captures. I can't imagine an NVG scope being all that useful on one either, full power cartridges at 1,400 rpm or so tends to make a bit of a flash...
To answer another poster's question, the US M60 machinegun series combines characteristics of the German MG42 and FG42 respectively, but was unfortunately designed by a committee and proved inferior to both earlier weapons; as someone who's had to operate and maintain a '60 I can speak from authority on this one.
30 May 2011, 10:36 pm
Fudo wrote:
since we got back to wwII, the Sturmgewehr 44.
considered to be the first assault rifle, it fired a 7.92mm iirc..
you can see the influence it had on the AK47
considered to be the first assault rifle, it fired a 7.92mm iirc..
you can see the influence it had on the AK47
7.92 Kurz, the intermediate caliber was a far more important development than the gun itself. I think it would be better to say that the StG44 had quite an impact on Mikhail Kalashnikov, since he was injured on the eastern front and designed the AK while recuperating.
30 May 2011, 10:40 pm
