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20 Oct 2011, 11:40 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

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I think it's quite sad people can't see past the twisted view of the swastika and see it for what it's been for thousands of years. Oh well.

I think it's quite sad when one crazed despot can't see past his own prejudices and twists the perception of a once-noble symbol from what it's been for thousands of years into a symbol of hatred and terror.

That too. One can't change the past, though. Helping people in the present to see past twisted meanings is within our power. FTR, I have a swastika necklace and it's NOT a Nazi symbol.

In "The Swastika," Folklore, Vol. 55, No. 4 (Dec., 1944), pp. 167-168, W. G. V. Balchin says the word swastika is of Sanskrit origin and the symbol is one of good luck or a charm or a religious symbol (the last, among the Jains and Buddhists) that goes back to at least the Bronze Age. It appears in various parts of the ancient and modern world. This article mentions Christians did, indeed, consider the swastika for their symbol.

I buried, near Big Sur, the White Swastika flag I inherited from my great-uncle, who had kept it from when he was in the Boy Scouts before the Great Depression.

A white swastika on a black field was the flag of an American Boy Scout Troop from its founding to some point in the 1930's, when the Troop itself voted to discontinue its use, in light of the rise of the Nazi regime. The German-American Bundt (the pre-War American Nazi movement), who also used the swastika, may also have influenced their decision.

Ah well ... at least the Tau'Ri symbol is still good.

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21 Oct 2011, 1:49 am

The swastika still is good to many. Many don't even look like the well known Nazi symbol.

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13:2 · The swastika is often also called tetraskele, "four-leg". This variation of it is a sign for repeat or repetition, in music. The sign for repetition is more usually drawn and , and otherwise.

Then there's these...

'Tis quite interesting, really.

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21 Oct 2011, 1:37 pm

Dear Tea, Thank you SO much for sharing that with us..I appreciate any opportunity to learn the history of things we consider part of OUR culture! I also want to tell you that your new avatar is one of the loveliest on WP...Is she a female version of the Celtic Horned God?Thank you again, Sylkat. :rendeer:

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21 Oct 2011, 1:46 pm

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Yes, and you're very welcome.

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24 Oct 2014, 12:39 am

As a Jew, I prefer the regular hexagram.

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24 Oct 2014, 9:32 am

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24 Oct 2014, 12:03 pm

I don't really care about symbols.

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24 Oct 2014, 12:22 pm

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I voted cross. I'm not a Christian extremist, and in fact I align with the agnostic population. But the cross also represents selflessness, and is very meaningful in the foundation of the USA. The peace sign is OK, but it's a bit annoying to me sometimes, because it denies the real world and reality. Humankind is not a peaceful race, and never will be. Hence, to pretend that it is, or can be, is fake, and could lead us to being wiped out. We need arms and fortitude, or we will not survive. That's the real world, like it or not. Don't get me wrong; I hate wars and fighting, and above all I hate hatred. Sometimes it takes wars and fighting to remove hatred. The cross says to me; " prefer not to fight, and I believe we are here to do our best, but in the event of hostility, we will fight to the death to crush evil".
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I wonder if any war has actually removed hatred....I don't really see that.

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24 Oct 2014, 12:28 pm

Well of course I like the peace sign I have a shirt with a bright green one surrounded by colorful mushrooms and plants that glows in the dark even, but there are so many other awesome symbols out there I cannot very well just pick one. I like a lot of the nordic symbols and runes though I don't know as much about their different meanings and what not as my brother who has done a lot of in depth research into it. I also like Pentagrams and that Lucifer Bringer of Light symbol someone earlier posted.

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24 Oct 2014, 5:27 pm

I avoid displaying anything in public that can be identified as affiliated with any type of group or lifestyle. So I don't put on anything with symbols, logos, or signs. I might wear a t-shirt with a guitar brand or something on it to my mailbox, but that's about it. For the most part, it's because I don't feel comfortable giving people reasons to think they know me and how to treat/mistreat me before even knowing my name by simply being able to identify some design or brand on my clothing. But secondly, I'm pretty neutral and just don't care enough about anything I might solicit that becomes someone's positive/negative conversation starter for approaching me. So, as marks for pride or identification, I don't particularly like such badges.

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24 Oct 2014, 5:53 pm

i prefer symbols to text when it comes to clothes, but i don't own lots of that symbolic clothing.
text on a shirt, if it's not big and bold enough isn't always readable when it's wrinkly or covered in other clothing, symbols are a lot more recognizable and take more than an instant to read.

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

Then there's these...

'Tis quite interesting, really.

interesting it is. i particularly like the enclosed japanese one, the christian symbol has the potential for a droste effect!

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24 Oct 2014, 8:23 pm

Fnord wrote:

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

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I think it's quite sad people can't see past the twisted view of the swastika and see it for what it's been for thousands of years. Oh well.

That too. One can't change the past, though. Helping people in the present to see past twisted meanings is within our power. FTR, I have a swastika necklace and it's NOT a Nazi symbol.

I have actually heard of that.

Back when I was boyscout age myself (circa 1970) I read a memoir in Reader's Digest by a guy fondly recalling coming of age, and bonding with his dad, in "the Order of the White Swastika" in 1930's. In the first paragraph he hastenly explained that "back then Americans thought of the swastika as an American Indian symbol". Then he went on to talk about the boyscout troop and its native american inspired activities, and icongraphy. Sounded cool.

That's cool that you have an actual family connection to this OTWS troop that I read about years ago.

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25 Oct 2014, 12:58 am

Really happy to see intelligent discussion about the swastika here!
Check out http://reclaimtheswastika.com (I think... If that doesn't work google 'reclaim the swastika'

I love hearing that more and more people are learning the truth about that symbol. I think it shows that as a species we're learning to think a little more critically than we have in the past.

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25 Oct 2014, 1:21 am

None. I have great disdain for symbolism. Especially symbolism as ornamentation to express or represent something pertaining to personality or belief. I cannot comprehend the human need to advertise, display or draw attention to ideology or to use symbols to seek commonality with other humans.

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25 Oct 2014, 1:54 am

we're not all literate.

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25 Oct 2014, 10:09 am

I like the peace symbol the best. My favorite variation if it is of it shaped like a heart because to me, it represents both peace and love.

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