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10 Sep 2012, 5:06 pm

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In that case you should read about Mr. Kalashnikov some time. His story is rather sad. He didn't get to keep the patent for his gun and thus become wealthy like Mr. Colt. I believe he was asked about the rifle and said something along the lines of "I wish I had invented a lawnmower instead."


I don't think that's exactly right. He designed the AK after being wounded in WWII, and broadly based his concept on the German StG44 that he had encountered in combat. He viewed it as a patriotic duty, to provide his countrymen with the best weapon available to them. I've seen the Kalashnikov lawnmower, I believe his actual comment was that it was the invention he was most proud of.

IIRC, Eugene Stoner, who designed the M16 didn't make a lot of money off of it either. Stoner and Kalashnikov did meet at one point before Stoner died, I'd have been curious to hear that conversation.


Maxim did not exactly receive exorbitant profits from his gun either. In fact, the U.S. government was not even interested in purchasing machine guns (considered them to be superfluous and an utterly unnecessary waste of money), hence why he emigrated.

Also in reference to the patent on Kalashnikov rifles, from what I've read, IzhMash received the patent but it is not enforced when it comes to the older versions of the weapon due to the age of the design. It is, however, impossible to enforce a patent on the newer designs when millions are being manufactured by countless entities and distributed.



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10 Sep 2012, 5:43 pm

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Stoner and Kalashnikov did meet at one point before Stoner died, I'd have been curious to hear that conversation.


went something like this:

M.K.: Hey, comrade Yevgeny Stoner, how much for one of zose toys? I want buy for my grandson. Don't worry, I tell him not to drop it in sandbox and break it. HA HA HA HA HA

E.S.: Goddamnedpinkocommie :evil:



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11 Sep 2012, 4:42 am

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I have always wanted to own a Kalashnikov and hope to do so one day. The odd thing is that I really have no interest in shooting it (but I probably would do it just once so I could see it work.) I just want it as a combination of a technical sample and a piece of history. I'd also like to own a Mosin Nagant and an SKS, so that I could have all the main service rifles of the Soviet Union. I like the fact that they were not made as high precision devices but just worked anyways. If society ever collapsed, it is likely that you could still figure out how to make parts to fix a broken AK. They are crude enough and run loose enough tolerances that you don't have to be perfect with the part you make. However, I don't see this as being anywhere near as simple for an American weapon made with more exotic materials, like the AR.


In that case you should read about Mr. Kalashnikov some time. His story is rather sad. He didn't get to keep the patent for his gun and thus become wealthy like Mr. Colt. I believe he was asked about the rifle and said something along the lines of "I wish I had invented a lawnmower instead."


I have actually read quite a few articles on him and am aware of the history. The AK is much like Tetris. It was designed by Alexey Pajitnov, a member of the Soviet state and thus is the property of the state and not the individual. This also happens in capitalist countries to people working for corporations rather than for themselves. Kalashnikov is actually a unique case in that the West knew who he was before the fall of the iron curtain. Even the designer of the Lunokhod (literally "moon walker") rovers (Alexander Kemurdzhian) was virtually unknown in the west until the collapse of the Soviet Union as it was seen as a triumph of the communist system and the actual individual who worked on it was considered unimportant. (A Soviet-made toy Lunokhod is one of my most treasured possessions.)


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11 Sep 2012, 4:55 am

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My father is a police sergeant. As a child, I knew where the guns in the house were and that I was not to touch them.


I grew up with firearms around the house. In my bedroom when I was a little kid was a gun rack with four or five rifles and shotguns. I was told not to touch them and so I didn't. I have no idea if they were loaded or not.



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11 Sep 2012, 5:22 am

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It can be hard here to acquire firearms legally if you have certain mental conditions.


I read once that Asperger's, by itself, is not seen as an impediment at all to get a CHL (Concealed Handgun License) in a number of states.



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11 Sep 2012, 5:26 am

Kalashnikov said something along the lines that he was sad he had created a weapon that is the choice of terrorists the world over. He was proud to have created it for Russia, and as a citizen did not get a patent on it.
I used to have a work mate who was a vietnam vet and he told me this story. Right after they were sent to vietnam, his sargeant held a demonstration for them. He took an AK-47 and an M-16 and dropped them both into a mud puddle. He then pulled the M-16 out, dried it, field stripped and cleaned it and fired it. It shot about half of it's magazine before jamming. Thereupon he took the AK and with even shaking the water off, held it up and it fired the entire magazine, dripping water and mud. Like the Sargeant in Full Metal Jacket, he said "Ladies, this is what you're up against."


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