What is with this country?!
As for POW examples, I offer John McCain as a counter to yours. I don't think there's any one definitive type.
People definitely get alienated, but nobody is sure of the motive as of yet. If it was the suggested relationship issue, that would make sense as well. Not weakness, perhaps desperation or frustration, or even rage.
The cops claimed they had a preliminary identification. I'm trying to wait patiently for the full identification.
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Poor folks there.
I think that makes sense, although I should state I have never been to America so am unqualified to give an opinion.
However I do have a theory.....
America (it seems to me) has strong individual competition and "free market", and those who can't keep up are "left by the wayside", so to speak.
To illustrate, in WW2, POW's held by Japan were in apalling conditions (I knew a Changi POW). When an Australian soldier could not eat his rations for whatever reason (eg couldn't keep it down because of dysentry), he would give his rations to others, who ever needed it most. They all help each other. It is said of the US prisoners, that they would look after themslves first, and trade or barter their rations for their own individual benefit.
So I get the impresion the US culture is less concerned about looking after its weaker members than we are. These people get more disenfranchised and alienated from society and its these people who are morelikely to become "home grown terrorists" or shoot up schools.
Anyone want to comment?
You've hit the nail on the head, Bazza! I was wondering myself...
Edit: Isn't keeping it in rather than down the problem with dysentry? I know it sounds like I'm trivialising the Changi prisoners, but I think the problem with dysentry was the reverse. However, God knows what diseases they would have caught under such conditions, and such tales of altruism under that stuff would undoubtedly be true....
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It makes sense, and although people will say "You can't say that about America, we don't have that" it can happen in ANY society. Just look at the movie "Out of the Blue" and "Heavenly Creatures" and you'll see that it can happen in NZ. America is so big nowadays that the ratio doesn't necessarily affect things anymore. If someone were to say that this sort of thing happens on a ratio of 1,000,000:1, then with a country with a population of 281,000,000 or so (as of 2006) then it's not all that unlikely anymore and it's that classic situation of "Not if, but when" that they always associate with earthquakes, as scaling that down means 281 people could do it.
As for the police reports, they're just stalling or something. "Better to gradually release it then say who or what it is in one big hit". Ever notice how they ALWAYS go "Police don't know the full cause of the incident, but suspect [insert suspected reason here] is the cause."
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Poor folks there.
I think that makes sense, although I should state I have never been to America so am unqualified to give an opinion.
However I do have a theory.....
America (it seems to me) has strong individual competition and "free market", and those who can't keep up are "left by the wayside", so to speak.
To illustrate, in WW2, POW's held by Japan were in apalling conditions (I knew a Changi POW). When an Australian soldier could not eat his rations for whatever reason (eg couldn't keep it down because of dysentry), he would give his rations to others, who ever needed it most. They all help each other. It is said of the US prisoners, that they would look after themslves first, and trade or barter their rations for their own individual benefit.
So I get the impresion the US culture is less concerned about looking after its weaker members than we are. These people get more disenfranchised and alienated from society and its these people who are morelikely to become "home grown terrorists" or shoot up schools.
Anyone want to comment?
As an American I am sad to say that there is a great deal of truth in that. Granted, I don't think it is just an American phenomenon. It seems to be happening more around the whole world with greater frequency. I blame overpopulation.
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When a person heads toward a goal, part of that person heads in exactly the other direction.
Yes we are individuals, but more and more we are also treeibly conformist! People here have killed to get the right athletic shoes. Try to be a conformist individual.
Then, some poor being about to go bonk anyway also has thousands of hours of death based video games under his belt.
Complex and tragic it all is.
I wonder if anyone (professionals) had drugged this chap?
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I am also upset by the attitudes of people here, who want to blame US society, or take this time to say how wonderful it is that anybody in the US can have a gun and kill other people, or even blame pharmacologic agents as if a doctor is inciting a patient to sociopathy.
It is a tragedy, and as such I think some time needs to be taken in honor of those killed needlessly. I will therefore be taking a break from here while I think about this tragedy and my sense of connection to others on this planet.
There are already anti-Bush groups encouraging protesting if he gives a speech here tomorrow, or if he even shows up. If you don't like the man, fine, protest him. Do not blatantly disrespect the memory of those who lost their lives in a senseless act of violence. Celebrating the loss of any life is barbaric, and yet that is exactly what some are doing, saying that the U.S. "deserved" it, or some BS rhetoric such as that.
Also, don't blame the society as a whole. Some people here have turned out just fine. The gunman is in a very small minority. Should that minority be ignored? No. If there is something that could be done to avoid this kind of tragedy in the future, then by all means, it should be pursued. Turning this horrible event into fuel for political rhetoric only unites this country against the bastards behind it. One would think that by now most of the world would realize that the United States responds rather aggressively to threats. Poke someone with a stick enough times, they're going to lay you out. If you want change, try another more logical way.
Poor folks there.
I think that makes sense, although I should state I have never been to America so am unqualified to give an opinion.
However I do have a theory.....
America (it seems to me) has strong individual competition and "free market", and those who can't keep up are "left by the wayside", so to speak.
To illustrate, in WW2, POW's held by Japan were in apalling conditions (I knew a Changi POW). When an Australian soldier could not eat his rations for whatever reason (eg couldn't keep it down because of dysentry), he would give his rations to others, who ever needed it most. They all help each other. It is said of the US prisoners, that they would look after themslves first, and trade or barter their rations for their own individual benefit.
So I get the impresion the US culture is less concerned about looking after its weaker members than we are. These people get more disenfranchised and alienated from society and its these people who are morelikely to become "home grown terrorists" or shoot up schools.
Anyone want to comment?
All depends on where in the US you are. In the larger cities I've been nobody cares about anybody else. But here in Wyoming people look out for others more often especially around the really small towns. It's somewhat strange, you generally think about Republicans as less charitable, but nearly everyone in the small towns are Republican and they are far more charitable to individuals than anyone in the cities where there are far less.
Also, don't blame the society as a whole. Some people here have turned out just fine. The gunman is in a very small minority. Should that minority be ignored? No. If there is something that could be done to avoid this kind of tragedy in the future, then by all means, it should be pursued. Turning this horrible event into fuel for political rhetoric only unites this country against the bastards behind it. One would think that by now most of the world would realize that the United States responds rather aggressively to threats. Poke someone with a stick enough times, they're going to lay you out. If you want change, try another more logical way.
I do not think America deserved it per se, or any of the people who were killed. However, there is something in that culture, probably more canis canem edit than any other Western culture....
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