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18 Jul 2022, 11:01 am

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If a person believes that Jesus of Nazareth was more than a human being, that person is a Christian, basically.

We have to go by what Christ says makes us a Christian.
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The Muslims believe that He was a prophet----but not more than a human being.

Whereas Jesus said that he is equal to Yahweh (God). "I and the Father (Yahweh) are one" John 10:30, and many other similar declarations. That's why they had him crucified. John 1:1 says, In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.



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18 Jul 2022, 11:05 am

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I think that the reason why there is no Mrs. Jesus is because Jesus was gay.

(I think his partner was Peter. He was always my favorite. He’s one of the more believable characters in the Bible IMO.)

If you're going to slander Christ, at least get it right. John said that he was the Apostle whom Jesus loved. Jesus even gave John to his mother to take his place as her son, while he was suffering and dying on the cross for you.


John would say that, wouldn’t he?

I don’t think the Bible portrays facts. I think they are stories or, perhaps, even tall tales.

The gospels are not eyewitness accounts. They were written later by anonymous writers. It’s hard to say, with any certainty, what’s fact and what is fiction in them.

https://www.npr.org/2010/03/12/12457269 ... he-gospels


You're free believe what you want to. But you really can't tell Christians what Christianity is about or how it's supposed to work.



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18 Jul 2022, 11:07 am

Twilightprincess wrote:
The gospels are not eyewitness accounts. They were written later by anonymous writers. It’s hard to say, with any certainty, what’s fact and what is fiction in them.

https://www.npr.org/2010/03/12/12457269 ... he-gospels
Good catch.
I thought this is particularly revealing:
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"In Mark's Gospel, Jesus is not interested in teaching about himself. But when you read John's Gospel, that's virtually the only thing Jesus talks about is who he is, what his identity is, where he came from," Ehrman says. "This is completely unlike anything that you find in Mark or in Matthew and Luke. And historically it creates all sorts of problems, because if the historical Jesus actually went around saying that he was God, it's very hard to believe that Matthew, Mark and Luke left out that part — you know, as if that part wasn't important to mention. But in fact, they don't mention it. And so this view of the divinity of Jesus on his own lips is found only in our latest Gospel, the Gospel of John."


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18 Jul 2022, 11:10 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:
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I think that the reason why there is no Mrs. Jesus is because Jesus was gay.

(I think his partner was Peter. He was always my favorite. He’s one of the more believable characters in the Bible IMO.)

If you're going to slander Christ, at least get it right. John said that he was the Apostle whom Jesus loved. Jesus even gave John to his mother to take his place as her son, while he was suffering and dying on the cross for you.


John would say that, wouldn’t he?

I don’t think the Bible portrays facts. I think they are stories or, perhaps, even tall tales.

The gospels are not eyewitness accounts. They were written later by anonymous writers. It’s hard to say, with any certainty, what’s fact and what is fiction in them.

https://www.npr.org/2010/03/12/12457269 ... he-gospels


You're free believe what you want to. But you really can't tell Christians what Christianity is about or how it's supposed to work.


I can absolutely say that gay Christians are Christians.

(I used to be a Christian and have read the entire Bible multiple times. It doesn’t really matter, though. It doesn’t take a Christian to know that people who believe in Jesus and consider themselves Christian ARE Christian.)


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18 Jul 2022, 11:11 am

I'm not a Christian because I don't believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ.



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18 Jul 2022, 11:12 am

Cornflake wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
The gospels are not eyewitness accounts. They were written later by anonymous writers. It’s hard to say, with any certainty, what’s fact and what is fiction in them.

https://www.npr.org/2010/03/12/12457269 ... he-gospels
Good catch.
I thought this is particularly revealing:
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"In Mark's Gospel, Jesus is not interested in teaching about himself. But when you read John's Gospel, that's virtually the only thing Jesus talks about is who he is, what his identity is, where he came from," Ehrman says. "This is completely unlike anything that you find in Mark or in Matthew and Luke. And historically it creates all sorts of problems, because if the historical Jesus actually went around saying that he was God, it's very hard to believe that Matthew, Mark and Luke left out that part — you know, as if that part wasn't important to mention. But in fact, they don't mention it. And so this view of the divinity of Jesus on his own lips is found only in our latest Gospel, the Gospel of John."


There are lots of contradictions in the gospel accounts, too, which makes the notion of them being the divine Word of God a bit difficult.


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18 Jul 2022, 11:14 am

I doubt that 1% of Christians believe in the Bible absolutely literally....



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18 Jul 2022, 11:24 am

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I doubt that 1% of Christians believe in the Bible absolutely literally....


I think people cling to some degree of literalism at a much higher percentage than that.


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18 Jul 2022, 11:29 am

Twilightprincess wrote:
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You're free believe what you want to. But you really can't tell Christians what Christianity is about or how it's supposed to work.


I can absolutely say that gay Christians are Christians.

(I used to be a Christian and have read the entire Bible multiple times. It doesn’t really matter, though. It doesn’t take a Christian to know that people who believe in Jesus and consider themselves Christian ARE Christian.)

You should know then that Jesus says many who call themselves Christians, aren't really Christians.

Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ Matthew 7:21-23



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18 Jul 2022, 11:34 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:
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You're free believe what you want to. But you really can't tell Christians what Christianity is about or how it's supposed to work.


I can absolutely say that gay Christians are Christians.

(I used to be a Christian and have read the entire Bible multiple times. It doesn’t really matter, though. It doesn’t take a Christian to know that people who believe in Jesus and consider themselves Christian ARE Christian.)

You should know then that Jesus says many who call themselves Christians, aren't really Christians.

Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ Matthew 7:21-23


It’s a shame that Jesus didn’t write anything himself or, better yet, use a medium that could not be misinterpreted or mistranslated.

It’s a shame that he didn’t provide definite proof. As it is, my specific path entails vague interest from a historical standpoint but no belief in divine inspiration. I will change my stance when I’m presented with sufficient proof.


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18 Jul 2022, 11:47 am

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I doubt that 1% of Christians believe in the Bible absolutely literally....

Overall most of us do. We quibble over some of the finer points, but we all agree to the The Nicene Creed



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18 Jul 2022, 11:51 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I doubt that 1% of Christians believe in the Bible absolutely literally....

Overall most of us do. We quibble over some of the finer points, but we all agree to the The Nicene Creed


So to be a “true” Christian one must follow your specific brand of Christianity?


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18 Jul 2022, 12:27 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I doubt that 1% of Christians believe in the Bible absolutely literally....

Overall most of us do. We quibble over some of the finer points, but we all agree to the The Nicene Creed


So to be a “true” Christian one must follow your specific brand of Christianity?

To be a true Christian you must accept and strive to do what Jesus says makes someone his disciple. A Christian is a disciple, a follower of Christ. Your desire is supposed to go from whatever you want, to whatever Christ wants. A true Christian is someone who is dedicated to Christ and puts Christ first. There's not any sense in becoming a Christian unless you want to practice Christianity. It would be like joining the Marines but not wanting to do everything that's involved in being a Marine.

BTW Jesus never got married, because his only reason for going from being God to being a human was to die for us.



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18 Jul 2022, 12:30 pm

Matrix Glitch wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I doubt that 1% of Christians believe in the Bible absolutely literally....

Overall most of us do. We quibble over some of the finer points, but we all agree to the The Nicene Creed


So to be a “true” Christian one must follow your specific brand of Christianity?

To be a true Christian you must accept and strive to do what Jesus says makes someone his disciple. A Christian is a disciple, a follower of Christ. Your desire is supposed to go from whatever you want, to whatever Christ wants. A true Christian is someone who is dedicated to Christ and puts Christ first. There's not any sense in becoming a Christian unless you want to practice Christianity. It would be like joining the Marines but not wanting to do everything that's involved in being a Marine.


*yawn*

Some people think that the most important aspect of being a follower of Jesus is showing love towards other people. They strive to help people in their community and be a good person in general. They also do religious stuff like pray.

A person can do those things no matter what their sexuality is.


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18 Jul 2022, 12:37 pm

If it leads to having to spend time in the company of homophobic bigots I'd say we can remove the oxy-.

If it provides spiritual comfort why couldn't they? That's more a matter of finding a welcoming church community.


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18 Jul 2022, 12:39 pm

Matrix Glitch wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I doubt that 1% of Christians believe in the Bible absolutely literally....

Overall most of us do. We quibble over some of the finer points, but we all agree to the The Nicene Creed


So to be a “true” Christian one must follow your specific brand of Christianity?

To be a true Christian you must accept and strive to do what Jesus says makes someone his disciple. A Christian is a disciple, a follower of Christ. Your desire is supposed to go from whatever you want, to whatever Christ wants. A true Christian is someone who is dedicated to Christ and puts Christ first. There's not any sense in becoming a Christian unless you want to practice Christianity. It would be like joining the Marines but not wanting to do everything that's involved in being a Marine.


Jesus said, “By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another” (John 13:35.)


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