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14 Aug 2008, 1:11 am

yeah...I see what you mean but how
humans haven't exactly mastered time travel
unless your Captain Kirk or something
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14 Aug 2008, 1:11 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Islam did a good part of conquering India as it was, but after they acquired the lands and mercenaries (such as the Janissaries) from Europe, they would have had less difficulty in conquering the rest of the land.

I see.

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If Callinicus were to be a time-traveler, then his timeline would be destroyed and he would not have been born. But that may just be that he could never return and not that he never existed.

In that case, it would be a violation of causality, which it would prevent him from being there, but if he was there, then he was there, without that problem then.....
Or, it could create a temporal loop, which in this case we wouldn't exist, because the universe would be stuck at 600AD? for eternity.
But it hasn't, that would reduce the odds of him being a time traveller, unless there are alternatives to this.

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Tachyons? I don't know, but it's no less possible then getting something from nothing.

well, it has been suggested the idea of time travel by creating wormholes, although just theoritical, it looks too far to become factual I think, although an alternative theory is here which it looks very interesting.


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14 Aug 2008, 1:18 am

Kilroy wrote:
yeah...I see what you mean but how
humans haven't exactly mastered time travel
unless your Captain Kirk or something
:lol:


"humans haven't exactly mastered time travel" yet. Will we never though?



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14 Aug 2008, 1:20 am

Time traveling isn't in the bible so therefore it's blasphemy. It's for sinners IMO. Same as computers, but I still use them. I sort of regret using any high-technology.



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14 Aug 2008, 1:20 am

maybe but I don't think we did 4000 years ago lol



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14 Aug 2008, 1:23 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
"humans haven't exactly mastered time travel" yet. Will we never though?

Curiously, when I was still in church, I remember a pastor gave his personal opinion about time travel during one of his sermons, he said he believed time travel was satanic (commenting about the TV series The Time Tunnel), because it was something God wouldn't allow it, I suppose, but it was his opinion though.


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14 Aug 2008, 1:27 am

The Vulcan scientific council have determined that time travel is impossible.


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14 Aug 2008, 1:27 am

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If Callinicus were to be a time-traveler, then his timeline would be destroyed and he would not have been born. But that may just be that he could never return and not that he never existed.

In that case, it would be a violation of causality, which it would prevent him from being there, but if he was there, then he was there, without that problem then.....
Or, it could create a temporal loop, which in this case we wouldn't exist, because the universe would be stuck at 600AD? for eternity.
But it hasn't, that would reduce the odds of him being a time traveller, unless there are alternatives to this.


His timeline would be destroyed, but ours would form in its place as a new timeline/universe. I don't know how it would work, but it is all conjectural anyway.

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Tachyons? I don't know, but it's no less possible then getting something from nothing.

well, it has been suggested the idea of time travel by creating wormholes, although just theoritical, it looks too far to become factual I think, although an alternative theory is here which it looks very interesting.


That's a cool article. An energy induced singularity? I'd hate to pay for that electric bill... 8O



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14 Aug 2008, 1:29 am

greenblue wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
"humans haven't exactly mastered time travel" yet. Will we never though?

Curiously, when I was still in church, I remember a pastor gave his personal opinion about time travel during one of his sermons, he said he believed time travel was satanic (commenting about the TV series The Time Tunnel), because it was something God wouldn't allow it, I suppose, but it was his opinion though.


Time travel would be very useful if it were to be, since it would put the question of the age of the earth to rest. It is hardly Satanic.



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14 Aug 2008, 1:30 am

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Time traveling isn't in the bible so therefore it's blasphemy. It's for sinners IMO. Same as computers, but I still use them. I sort of regret using any high-technology.

We could argue from this point of view that God would not allow anyone to go back in time, mostly if the reason is to correct past mistakes, and violating the principle of free will.


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14 Aug 2008, 1:35 am

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The Vulcan scientific council have determined that time travel is impossible.

That was proven wrong later with the appereance and help from Daniels and when Kirk made his first time travel with the slingshot effect. :)


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14 Aug 2008, 1:39 am

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pat666rick wrote:
Time traveling isn't in the bible so therefore it's blasphemy. It's for sinners IMO. Same as computers, but I still use them. I sort of regret using any high-technology.

We could argue from this point of view that God would not allow anyone to go back in time, mostly if the reason is to correct past mistakes, and violating the principle of free will.


Free will is not a necessary doctrine. You have Armenianism and Calvinism, plus lots of gray patches in the middle... it's not quite as important as the doctrine of the Trinity.



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14 Aug 2008, 1:40 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
His timeline would be destroyed, but ours would form in its place as a new timeline/universe. I don't know how it would work, but it is all conjectural anyway.

Yes, and it is very interesting :)

An alternative explanation for this is the existence of parallel universes, in this case, when Callinicus travels back in time, he would go to a parallel universe, living his own at the time he finds himself in 600AD (assuming this is the year) at that point, the rules of causality would not apply, because it is an alternative universe, in which he was never meant to exist, in the past, present and future.


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14 Aug 2008, 1:46 am

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
His timeline would be destroyed, but ours would form in its place as a new timeline/universe. I don't know how it would work, but it is all conjectural anyway.

Yes, and it is very interesting :)

An alternative explanation for this is the existence of parallel universes, in this case, when Callinicus travels back in time, he would go to a parallel universe, living his own at the time he finds himself in 600AD (assuming this is the year) at that point, the rules of causality would not apply, because it is an alternative universe, in which he was never meant to exist, in the past, present and future.


What I picture is: by altering the past in his own timeline, this universe is replaced at that point onwards. But if you have multiple dimensions, dimensional travel from that universe without it being destroyed, well now you have dimension-hopping Islamic conquerers at some future point!



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14 Aug 2008, 1:52 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
greenblue wrote:
pat666rick wrote:
Time traveling isn't in the bible so therefore it's blasphemy. It's for sinners IMO. Same as computers, but I still use them. I sort of regret using any high-technology.

We could argue from this point of view that God would not allow anyone to go back in time, mostly if the reason is to correct past mistakes, and violating the principle of free will.


Free will is not a necessary doctrine. You have Armenianism and Calvinism, plus lots of gray patches in the middle... it's not quite as important as the doctrine of the Trinity.

I see, but would that make possible for God allowing people to travel back in time?
I think we would have to make the question if wether God created a multiuniverse rather than a single universe, and if not, then God would have made a natural law to prevent time travelling and create paradoxes.


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14 Aug 2008, 1:56 am

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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pat666rick wrote:
Time traveling isn't in the bible so therefore it's blasphemy. It's for sinners IMO. Same as computers, but I still use them. I sort of regret using any high-technology.

We could argue from this point of view that God would not allow anyone to go back in time, mostly if the reason is to correct past mistakes, and violating the principle of free will.


Free will is not a necessary doctrine. You have Armenianism and Calvinism, plus lots of gray patches in the middle... it's not quite as important as the doctrine of the Trinity.

I see, but would that make possible for God allowing people to travel back in time?
I think we would have to make the question if wether God created a multiuniverse rather than a single universe, and if not, then God would have made a natural law to prevent time travelling and create paradoxes.


Why would God have to do anything we think up?