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Do you support population laws
Yes Please Explain 59%  59%  [ 17 ]
No please Explain 41%  41%  [ 12 ]
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28 Nov 2008, 7:57 pm

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I am disgusted at the blatant totalitarianism advocated at this website. It's sickening! Reproduction is a right.

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Reproduction is a right but that doesn't mean it's our job to take care of them. Maybe these morons on welfare would reproduce less if given fewer financial incentives to do so. Have you ever thought of that?

No. Look at Darfur. Rampant overpopulation and no means to buy, grow, or otherwise produce their own food.

Reproduction isn't just a right; for some, it's an obsession!


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28 Nov 2008, 7:58 pm

^^if reproduction is a right then social service for people who are genetically impaired/disabled should not be a right but a duty

simple logic, as implied by you.


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28 Nov 2008, 8:02 pm

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^^if reproduction is a right then social service for people who are genetically impaired/disabled should not be a right but a duty

simple logic, as implied by you.

There are many cases of handicapped people receiving government-paid care for their children. Here in the States, it's called "Welfare" and "Aid to Dependent Children" (ADC), among other programs.

Besides, haven't you heard of "Reproductive Choice" and/or "A Woman's Right to Choose"? It isn't all about abortion, you know.


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28 Nov 2008, 8:04 pm

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^^if reproduction is a right then social service for people who are genetically impaired/disabled should not be a right but a duty

simple logic, as implied by you.


So should be in the government's full power to right to tell you not to reproduce?



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28 Nov 2008, 8:06 pm

I am totally for, as long as they are not being encouraged to procreate, as it is, unfortunately, in some EU countries, where political correctness have gone a *tad* to far...


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28 Nov 2008, 8:06 pm

Fnord wrote:
timeisdead wrote:
NocturnalQuilter wrote:
timeisdead wrote:
I am disgusted at the blatant totalitarianism advocated at this website. It's sickening! Reproduction is a right.

:roll:

Reproduction is a right but that doesn't mean it's our job to take care of them. Maybe these morons on welfare would reproduce less if given fewer financial incentives to do so. Have you ever thought of that?

No. Look at Darfur. Rampant overpopulation and no means to buy, grow, or otherwise produce their own food.

Reproduction isn't just a right; for some, it's an obsession!


Perhaps we can offer them incentives to curb their population. For example, we will offer them and their immediate family fresh food and water in exchange for a vasectomy or tubal litigation.



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28 Nov 2008, 8:07 pm

timeisdead wrote:
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^^if reproduction is a right then social service for people who are genetically impaired/disabled should not be a right but a duty

simple logic, as implied by you.


So should be in the government's full power to right to tell you not to reproduce?


yes, I think it should. I'm not talking bans here though, just a simple, person-to-person talk about what should *not* be done, for the sake of the society.


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28 Nov 2008, 8:10 pm

anna-banana wrote:
I am totally for, as long as they are not being encouraged to procreate, as it is, unfortunately, in some EU countries, where political correctness have gone a *tad* to far...

And I'm for it as long as they are not being encouraged (or forced) to abort, as they do in China.

Reproduction is a matter of individual choice, and this freedom to choose is thus an inalienable right. Roe v. Wade made that abundantly clear.


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28 Nov 2008, 8:10 pm

(Duplicated post, and no "X" option available.)


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28 Nov 2008, 8:11 pm

timeisdead wrote:
So should be in the government's full power to right to tell you not to reproduce?


Hell yes!



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28 Nov 2008, 8:17 pm

Fnord wrote:
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I am totally for, as long as they are not being encouraged to procreate, as it is, unfortunately, in some EU countries, where political correctness have gone a *tad* to far...

And I'm for it as long as they are not being encouraged (or forced) to abort, as they do in China.

Reproduction is a matter of individual choice, and this freedom to choose is thus an inalienable right. Roe v. Wade made that abundantly clear.


would you like to explain that to us civil-law-reliant Europeans?


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28 Nov 2008, 8:19 pm

NocturnalQuilter wrote:
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So should be in the government's full power to right to tell you not to reproduce?


Hell yes!

So your ideal government would be totalitarian?



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28 Nov 2008, 8:21 pm

So which of the following gets castrated / hysterectomised first?

    Albinos
    Asians
    Aspers & Autistics
    Atheists
    Blacks
    Blind
    Buddhists
    Capitalists
    Caucasians
    Christians
    Communists & Socialists
    Criminals
    Deaf
    Dwarfs
    Gays & Lesbians
    Hindus
    Jews
    Men & Women over the age of 30
    Moslems
    Mutes
    Politicians
    Teachers
    Unionists
    Veterans
Let's take a vote here...


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28 Nov 2008, 8:22 pm

anna-banana wrote:
Fnord wrote:
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I am totally for, as long as they are not being encouraged to procreate, as it is, unfortunately, in some EU countries, where political correctness have gone a *tad* to far...

And I'm for it as long as they are not being encouraged (or forced) to abort, as they do in China.

Reproduction is a matter of individual choice, and this freedom to choose is thus an inalienable right. Roe v. Wade made that abundantly clear.

would you like to explain that to us civil-law-reliant Europeans?

Google it.


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28 Nov 2008, 8:23 pm

Fnord wrote:
So which of the following gets castrated / hysterectomised first?
    Albinos
    Asians
    Aspers & Autistics
    Atheists
    Blacks
    Blind
    Buddhists
    Capitalists
    Caucasians
    Christians
    Communists & Socialists
    Criminals
    Deaf
    Dwarfs
    Gays & Lesbians
    Hindus
    Jews
    Men & Women over the age of 30
    Moslems
    Mutes
    Politicians
    Teachers
    Unionists
    Veterans
Let's take a vote here...

Exactly! It's not the government's right to choose for us.



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28 Nov 2008, 8:38 pm

well, Swift had a Modest Proposal (Reincarnated as a movie, Soylent Green...;)
The problem is that we've spent too much time eliminating threats to human reproduction. Actually, things are a lot brighter than they seem. a Hundred years ago, people were having families of 10-12, or even more.

Well, the obvious solution is to bring back our natural predators. We need to vastly increase the number of lions, tigers, bears, (oh my!), wloves, soccer hooligans, and such, and introduce them into our urban environment. Maybe we could let the air out of the paramedics' tires, lock the doors to the hospital, and offer free airplane tickets for Al-queda to wherever.

you do know I'm kidding, right?...;) This always happens when I read too much Terry Pratchett...;)