aussiebloke wrote:
b9 wrote:
aussiebloke wrote:
b9 wrote:
hamburger with egg (soft egg) and cheese
and extra fried onions, with barbecue sauce and no beetroot. then i had a 600ml oak chocolate milk.
I wonder how the hamburger feels
I'll never get that about you .
I guess some animals are more = than others I imagine
well concern yourself with other things than things which confuse you .
a hamburger patty, if not eaten by me would be eaten by another person, but i want to incorporate it's nutrition in to my organism.
a meat patty will not reverse engineer itself in to the cow that it came from if it is not eaten.
the meat i eat is already dead, and so if i did not eat it (and if no one else ate it), it would rot and be
relegated to landfill. you are a strange man aussiebloke, but you have sufficient following on this site now to allow me not to feel mean in saying your attitude to things i post is feeble and not credible with respect to reality.
you are an idealist and i am a pragmatist, and so we have little to say to each other.
I cant believe some one so intelligent could say such a thing, could paedophiles who view child porn make that argument to ?(no offense just saying)
what?! there is no comparison that is valid in my mind between paedophiles and people who eat meat.
to be fair to you however, i have scanned my mind for a meaning in your words that may be valid. the only potential meaning i can find is that you may be talking about purchasers of child pornography (not physical molesters) who may excuse their conscience with the reason "the photo's are already in existence. i did not ask for them to be taken, but since they are already in existence, i am not responsible their production" whilst ignoring the fact that their payment for the pictures contributes to the lucrativeness of the business as a whole, and increases the likely-hood of more pictures being taken.
but that is ridiculous as well. nutrition is vastly more essential than gratification, and i feel i need easily digestible protein to sustain my existence.
as far as i know (i do not google for thing to say), the rise of intelligence in hominids began when people started eating molluscs. i vaguely remember that the selenium that was freely released from that type of diet helped improve the efficiency of neural connectivity and therefor the evolution of intelligence that eventually resulted in people being able to hunt with ease (setting traps and using weapons rather than chasing and grappling with their prey).
eventually farming and agriculture was thought of, and boundary fences were devised to contain the population of animals that were spawned and to prevent also the ingress of competitor species' access to he farmed collection of the "livestock" and produce.....etc...etc...etc and here we are with a vast advantage over any other animal on earth.
aussiebloke wrote:
Those pub lunches you enjoy are nothing more than meat like matter bound with soy protein and fats,...
i suspect you are talking about the practice of using transglutaminase to join scraps of meat together so they seem like a proper cut of meat with a structural integrity that is indistinguishable from virgin meat.
i have encountered cuts of meat that used that process in their formation, and i can immediately discern the fraudulence of the texture of those meats. pressed sliced chicken (from delicatessens) use that process.
mcdonalds chicken nuggets (errk) use that process. i can discern recompiled meat easily.
aussiebloke wrote:
so if you where to go the vegetarian option you would barely notice the difference especially so drowned in gravy or tomato sauce.
i do not drown my food in masking agents or enhancing preparations like sauces. i would become thin and unhealthy if i consigned myself to a vegetarian diet.
i knew a strict vegan once who was an employee at a company where i worked. she was basically pretty, but she was ugly due to her dietary practices. her hair was dry and stringy, and she had major dandruff, and her fingernails were brittle and dull, and she had frequent episodes of dizziness and lethargy. i could tell she was malnourished.
i eventually showed her the door (she was in my department that i was responsible for), although i did not want to, but she left me no option because she was too fragile and listless to be productive in her position.
aussiebloke wrote:
www.rnw.nl/english/article/vegetarian-butchers-make-a-killing
And if that doesn't rock your boat , theirs allways lab meat. (it's coming you can count on it

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i do very much consider any animal i personally see as an important life, and i would never ever personally harm an animal . i think every animal (including us) has an equal right to live, and i do understand the moral dilemma, but my retreat from the meat eating population would have an insignificant effect on the rate of slaughter of those lives that are not ours to steal and eat and s**t out 24-36 hours later.
i see your point aussie bloke, but i will not let my health suffer by joining a "cause" that results in one cow in 50 years being spared at the expense of my health...........................................
i have just endured a 4 hour telephone call during my composition of this post and i cannot be bothered to talk further.