Does it upset you when ill people reproduce?

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It's time to invoke Godwin's Law folks:

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real nice, I guess I should take myself out of the human equation and end it all

No, rather take the Nazis out. ...

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To be more specific, I consider human life to be intrinsically of equal value. People like the Nazis with their eugenics programs and organized genocide devalue such life. "Fit" or "un-Fit", who the heck should care about Übermensch notion of crapola? The Nazis needed to be stopped, as does any government which tries to do such organized wholesale manslaughter and butchering.

Id est: the Nazis were wrong.

Well I don't speak gibberish so I'll respond to this as best I can. Nobody's saying you should be legally prevented from having children, all I am saying is that it is morally irresponsible to pass on genrtic defects to children that could have life-long repercussions. That is selfish. But if you can live with the prospect of your child having to take needles for the rest of their life, then I guess that;s up to you. I wouldn't put my children through that crap.

Also why would you try and guilt trip people by saying your going to commit suicide?

LG- if the mother has a c section the baby can be born without HIV infection.I think there are risks if the placenta tears or something, though. From my experience, most women who give birth to AIDS babies did not plan the pregnancy or didn't know they had HIV. We do have a problem with women having crack babies, babies with fetal alcohol syndrome, and babies with AIDS or others preventable diseases, and that is a damn shame.I don't think it is what Spazzergasm is talking about though.

the worth of a human goes beyond their physical well being. likewise, physical illness or infirmity does not determine a persons happiness or lack thereof. telling someone who is physically unwell that they shouldnt reproduce is in essence telling them their life is not worth living.

look at stephen hawking who suffers from als. there is a genetic component to some cases of als. would you have told his parents to not procreate? would you tell him today that his life is not worth living?

i find this an ironic discussion, especially in a community (ASDs in general, not WP) where there is often strong opposition to the possibility of prenatal genetic testing to detect and possibly terminate babies with asd, and a push for acceptance of non-typical persons.

we are more than the sum of our parts. even if some of those parts dont work so well. we can still be happy, lead fulfilling lives, and make contributions to society.

Big agreement here.

Maybe if both people have cancer, it upsets me a little. Neither the mum or the dad will be there to see their baby grow up.

Yeah, and they dumped an orphan into the world, knowing it would be an orphan.

Realistically, how often does that actually happen? Deliberately? Cancer and pregnancy are generally *very* incompatible. Someone diagnosed with cancer while pregnant may be urged to get an abortion to save their own life.

Cancer treatments can cause sterility, so I can see someone making a last ditch effort to have a child. But it would, I assume, be with the belief/hope that their treatment would be effective. Cancer is not always a death sentence. Anecdotally, everyone I've personally known who had cancer--including some very serious forms, like Leukemia--survived. Anyway, far more likely than going through a pregnancy would be having eggs removed for later or freezing sperm for later.

I think people are working up a lot of anger here, getting upset about scenarios that rarely actually happen.

Quite right. Every putz can get themselves in mortal danger through poor or downright stupid decisions, like climbing a mountain with no equipment and no training, and then call 911 and have someone else bail them out.

Everyone unable (or unwilling!) to support themselves through work can just qualify for social care and have taxpayers pay for their entire lives, from birth to death.

Just two examples.

I think that the faith of every advanced society is to eventually extinguish itself because of this. It isn't healthy.

<sarcasm alert> Right, because that's so simple and gives people such easy lives.

Now, there's something I've never thought about, and I'm not sure how I feel. I surely do not want to pass on any of my genetic problems to my children. However, like everyone, I have good qualities, too. I suppose that a sick person may hope that their child will have enough positive things in their life that illnesses won't matter.

My cousins Linda and Paul will be in their 70s when their daughter graduates from college. But I'd never say they should not have had Katherine. They are terrific parents. Some people would say a couple in their 40s should forget about having a child, due to the increased chance of disorders, especially mental ones. It did take them a while to get pregnant, but Katherine is wonderful -- sweet, funny, bright, curious, and great with younger kids. She loves dancing and learning about other cultures. Linda and Paul are terrific parents.

It's similar to a sick person deciding to reproduce. Linda and Paul decided having a child was worth the risk. Personally, I think that if a person feels their life was easy and pleasant enough that passing on their genes is worth it, it's their decision...but I would never, EVER do that to a child myself.

That's a good point. They should be willing to teach the child their ways, however. And make sure it's life isn't too much for it.

I have sometimes wondered, only as a mind game, what the world would be like if reproduction was subject to the same screening as adoption