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19 Mar 2007, 6:22 am

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Is that all it takes? Excellent! The proof is coming.


ALL existence for all time, including the part where you make your proof. Thus it is IMPOSSIBLE to do so.



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19 Mar 2007, 7:22 am

ahayes wrote:
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You keep on switching the cat's sex. :roll:

There are a number of weaknesses I can think of offhand:

The scruff on the back of the neck.

Catnip.

Mice.

A bit of string.

Water.


The Great Cat God is both male and female, and neither male nor female.

The Great Cat God can is immune to these weaknesses.


The next statement is true.

The previous statement is false.

Your great cat god (I will not deign to use capitals) is a veritable phlogiston. Try looking up the history of phlogiston, ahayes. Your cat is phlogiston.

(But, again, thanks for the help on my computer)


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19 Mar 2007, 7:48 am

Quatermass wrote:
ahayes wrote:
Quatermass wrote:

You keep on switching the cat's sex. :roll:

There are a number of weaknesses I can think of offhand:

The scruff on the back of the neck.

Catnip.

Mice.

A bit of string.

Water.


The Great Cat God is both male and female, and neither male nor female.

The Great Cat God can is immune to these weaknesses.


The next statement is true.

The previous statement is false.

Your great cat god (I will not deign to use capitals) is a veritable phlogiston. Try looking up the history of phlogiston, ahayes. Your cat is phlogiston.

(But, again, thanks for the help on my computer)


The Great Cat God is the fifth element, is that what you are trying to say?



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19 Mar 2007, 1:13 pm

Bah! What a puny little church! We, the church of Lembuhs, worship TGSITS (The Great Sloth In The Sky) and the TGSITS (The Great Sloth In The Sky) ONLY! No fluffy, furry kitten can out-sleep our god! Nor can a delishous pie nor yummy cake nor tasty gar- . . . hold on a second, I need to get a snack.

Moral of the post: If your going to make a church, at least not have wars against each other. It makes me hungry just thinking about it :( Mmmm, garlic cake pie. That sounds tasty . . .



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19 Mar 2007, 1:24 pm

Leporidae wrote:
Bah! What a puny little church! We, the church of Lembuhs, worship TGSITS (The Great Sloth In The Sky) and the TGSITS (The Great Sloth In The Sky) ONLY! No fluffy, furry kitten can out-sleep our god! Nor can a delishous pie nor yummy cake nor tasty gar- . . . hold on a second, I need to get a snack.

Moral of the post: If your going to make a church, at least not have wars against each other. It makes me hungry just thinking about it :( Mmmm, garlic cake pie. That sounds tasty . . .


Even a house cat can out sleep tgsits. It is an established fact that cats sleep 27 hours per every 24 hour period.



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19 Mar 2007, 1:42 pm

...I like cake.


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19 Mar 2007, 2:49 pm

ahayes wrote:
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Is that all it takes? Excellent! The proof is coming.


ALL existence for all time, including the part where you make your proof. Thus it is IMPOSSIBLE to do so.


Need I remind you that calandales are outside of time and space?



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19 Mar 2007, 5:28 pm

I love Chocolate Cake.



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19 Mar 2007, 5:30 pm

calandale wrote:
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Is that all it takes? Excellent! The proof is coming.


ALL existence for all time, including the part where you make your proof. Thus it is IMPOSSIBLE to do so.


Need I remind you that calandales are outside of time and space?


They are not out of existance, if they were they couldn't do anything anyways.



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19 Mar 2007, 6:30 pm

ahayes wrote:
Quatermass wrote:
ahayes wrote:
Quatermass wrote:

You keep on switching the cat's sex. :roll:

There are a number of weaknesses I can think of offhand:

The scruff on the back of the neck.

Catnip.

Mice.

A bit of string.

Water.


The Great Cat God is both male and female, and neither male nor female.

The Great Cat God can is immune to these weaknesses.


The next statement is true.

The previous statement is false.

Your great cat god (I will not deign to use capitals) is a veritable phlogiston. Try looking up the history of phlogiston, ahayes. Your cat is phlogiston.

(But, again, thanks for the help on my computer)


The Great Cat God is the fifth element, is that what you are trying to say?


No, that it is extremely changeable to suit your arguments, and yet doesn't exist. Just like all deities.

Phlogiston article extract from Wikipedia wrote:
Theory
The theory holds that all flammable materials contain phlogiston, a substance without color, odor, taste, or weight that is liberated in burning. Once burned, the "dephlogisticated" substance was held to be in its "true" form, the calx.

"Phlogisticated" substances are those that contain phlogiston and are "dephlogisticated" when burned. Since any substance could be observed to burn for only a limited time with limited air (for instance in a sealed container), air was thought to have a specific capacity for phlogiston.

Joseph Black's student Daniel Rutherford discovered nitrogen in 1772 and the pair used the theory to explain his results. The residue of air left after burning, in fact a mixture of nitrogen and carbon dioxide, was sometimes referred to as "phlogisticated air", having taken up all of the phlogiston.

Conversely, when oxygen was first discovered it was thought to be "dephlogisticated air", capable of combining with more phlogiston and thus supporting combustion for longer than ordinary air.


[edit] Challenge and demise
Eventually, quantitative experiments revealed problems, including the fact that some metals, such as magnesium, gained weight when they burned, even though they were supposed to have lost phlogiston. Mikhail Lomonosov attempted to repeat Robert Boyle's celebrated experiment in 1753 and concluded that the phlogiston theory was false. He wrote in his diary: "Today I made an experiment in hermetic glass vessels in order to determine whether the mass of metals increases from the action of pure heat. The experiment demonstrated that the famous Robert Boyle was deluded, for without access of air from outside, the mass of the burnt metal remains the same."

Some phlogiston proponents explained this by concluding that phlogiston had "negative weight"; others, such as Louis-Bernard Guyton de Morveau, gave the more conventional argument that it was lighter than air. However, a more detailed analysis based on the Archimedean principle and the densities of magnesium and its combustion product shows that just being lighter than air cannot account for the increase in mass.

Still, phlogiston remained the dominant theory until Antoine-Laurent Lavoisier showed that combustion requires oxygen, solving the weight paradox and setting the stage for the new caloric theory of combustion.

In some respects, the phlogiston theory can be seen as the opposite of the modern "oxygen theory". The phlogiston theory states that all flammable materials contain phlogiston that is liberated in burning, leaving the "dephlogisticated" substance in its "true" calx form. In the modern theory, on the other hand, flammable materials (or unrusted metals) are "deoxygenated" when in their pure form and become oxygenated when burned.


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19 Mar 2007, 6:36 pm

Quatermass wrote:
ahayes wrote:
Quatermass wrote:
ahayes wrote:
Quatermass wrote:

You keep on switching the cat's sex. :roll:

There are a number of weaknesses I can think of offhand:

The scruff on the back of the neck.

Catnip.

Mice.

A bit of string.

Water.


The Great Cat God is both male and female, and neither male nor female.

The Great Cat God can is immune to these weaknesses.


The next statement is true.

The previous statement is false.

Your great cat god (I will not deign to use capitals) is a veritable phlogiston. Try looking up the history of phlogiston, ahayes. Your cat is phlogiston.

(But, again, thanks for the help on my computer)


The Great Cat God is the fifth element, is that what you are trying to say?


No, that it is extremely changeable to suit your arguments, and yet doesn't exist. Just like all deities.

Phlogiston article extract from Wikipedia wrote:
Theory
The theory holds that all flammable materials contain phlogiston, a substance without color, odor, taste, or weight that is liberated in burning. Once burned, the "dephlogisticated" substance was held to be in its "true" form, the calx.

"Phlogisticated" substances are those that contain phlogiston and are "dephlogisticated" when burned. Since any substance could be observed to burn for only a limited time with limited air (for instance in a sealed container), air was thought to have a specific capacity for phlogiston.

Joseph Black's student Daniel Rutherford discovered nitrogen in 1772 and the pair used the theory to explain his results. The residue of air left after burning, in fact a mixture of nitrogen and carbon dioxide, was sometimes referred to as "phlogisticated air", having taken up all of the phlogiston.

Conversely, when oxygen was first discovered it was thought to be "dephlogisticated air", capable of combining with more phlogiston and thus supporting combustion for longer than ordinary air.


[edit] Challenge and demise
Eventually, quantitative experiments revealed problems, including the fact that some metals, such as magnesium, gained weight when they burned, even though they were supposed to have lost phlogiston. Mikhail Lomonosov attempted to repeat Robert Boyle's celebrated experiment in 1753 and concluded that the phlogiston theory was false. He wrote in his diary: "Today I made an experiment in hermetic glass vessels in order to determine whether the mass of metals increases from the action of pure heat. The experiment demonstrated that the famous Robert Boyle was deluded, for without access of air from outside, the mass of the burnt metal remains the same."

Some phlogiston proponents explained this by concluding that phlogiston had "negative weight"; others, such as Louis-Bernard Guyton de Morveau, gave the more conventional argument that it was lighter than air. However, a more detailed analysis based on the Archimedean principle and the densities of magnesium and its combustion product shows that just being lighter than air cannot account for the increase in mass.

Still, phlogiston remained the dominant theory until Antoine-Laurent Lavoisier showed that combustion requires oxygen, solving the weight paradox and setting the stage for the new caloric theory of combustion.

In some respects, the phlogiston theory can be seen as the opposite of the modern "oxygen theory". The phlogiston theory states that all flammable materials contain phlogiston that is liberated in burning, leaving the "dephlogisticated" substance in its "true" calx form. In the modern theory, on the other hand, flammable materials (or unrusted metals) are "deoxygenated" when in their pure form and become oxygenated when burned.



I don't see the connection. If posing nosensical arguments is a valid way to argue then I will mop the floor with you.



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19 Mar 2007, 7:14 pm

OK....

This is from the book "Rivals", on scientific rivalry. It has a chapter on the discovery of oxygen and the debunking of phlogiston, and here is a quote from the book by Lavoisier, who, while not the actual discoverer of oxygen, was the first to actually figure out what it was (emphasis added by me):

Antoine Lavoisier wrote:
Chemists had made phlogiston a vague principle, which is not strictly defined and which consequently fits all the explanations demanded of it. Sometimes it has weight, sometimes it is fire combined with earth; sometimes it passes through the pores of vessels, sometimes these are impenetrable to it. It explains at once causticity and non-causticity, transparency and opacity, colour and the absence of colour. It is a veritable Proteus that changes its form every instant!


Your great cat god is very much like phlogiston as described by Lavoisier, and has about as much chance of existing as more than just a stupid meme.


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19 Mar 2007, 7:34 pm

Quatermass wrote:
OK....

This is from the book "Rivals", on scientific rivalry. It has a chapter on the discovery of oxygen and the debunking of phlogiston, and here is a quote from the book by Lavoisier, who, while not the actual discoverer of oxygen, was the first to actually figure out what it was (emphasis added by me):

Antoine Lavoisier wrote:
Chemists had made phlogiston a vague principle, which is not strictly defined and which consequently fits all the explanations demanded of it. Sometimes it has weight, sometimes it is fire combined with earth; sometimes it passes through the pores of vessels, sometimes these are impenetrable to it. It explains at once causticity and non-causticity, transparency and opacity, colour and the absence of colour. It is a veritable Proteus that changes its form every instant!


Your great cat god is very much like phlogiston as described by Lavoisier, and has about as much chance of existing as more than just a stupid meme.


I guess you didn't notice that She is The Great Cat God.



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19 Mar 2007, 7:50 pm

I, nutbag, High Preistess of the Orthodox Church of Pie so declare that the OCP refuses to hate anyone, or any church, or any members of said church, or anything except for hate itself.

And maybe parsnips.
Which we will not bake into a Pie!

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19 Mar 2007, 7:52 pm

ahayes wrote:
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Is that all it takes? Excellent! The proof is coming.


ALL existence for all time, including the part where you make your proof. Thus it is IMPOSSIBLE to do so.


Need I remind you that calandales are outside of time and space?


They are not out of existance, if they were they couldn't do anything anyways.


Existence is outside of our comprehension. I found the proof - it was in the PUDDING.



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19 Mar 2007, 8:12 pm

ahayes wrote:
Quatermass wrote:
OK....

This is from the book "Rivals", on scientific rivalry. It has a chapter on the discovery of oxygen and the debunking of phlogiston, and here is a quote from the book by Lavoisier, who, while not the actual discoverer of oxygen, was the first to actually figure out what it was (emphasis added by me):

Antoine Lavoisier wrote:
Chemists had made phlogiston a vague principle, which is not strictly defined and which consequently fits all the explanations demanded of it. Sometimes it has weight, sometimes it is fire combined with earth; sometimes it passes through the pores of vessels, sometimes these are impenetrable to it. It explains at once causticity and non-causticity, transparency and opacity, colour and the absence of colour. It is a veritable Proteus that changes its form every instant!


Your great cat god is very much like phlogiston as described by Lavoisier, and has about as much chance of existing as more than just a stupid meme.


I guess you didn't notice that She is The Great Cat God.


Prove to me her existence. This isn't the Discworld, where she would exist, even if only you believed in her.


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