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14 Aug 2015, 4:54 am

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there is so much publicity about australia's deadly animals, but they never attack people or they are rare to the point of insignificance.
there are not many people people in australia who are injured by deadly animals.
australia could probably support 50 million people as it is, but it would be a crowded way of life and i would hate it.

Well. A few days after the famous Steve(wildlife programs) died, I met an australian. We spoke about dangerous animals in Australia and he said, the rumours are wildly exaggerated. I asked him about spiders and he answered: "Yeah. They are a real "pain". They are everywhere, - even in cities.
That made my mind up. I love to visit Australia - through TV.



There are spiders everywhere, everywhere though....as they say chances are typically you are no more than 5 feet from a spider apparently.
It´s a little about size and venom too.


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14 Aug 2015, 6:15 am

Please come take us, because of our own gulability we are now being ruled over by the Joker. No matter how bad you are you can't be worse.
He is imrisoning refugees and the Senate is due to pass the Good Order Bill which makes it legal to beat refugees.
He wanted an open coal mine, but complains wind farms are noisy and unattractive.
He is kicking vulnerable people off Disability Support Pensions.
He is bulldozing indigenous communities.

Please take us over I pray for a benevolent dictator.



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14 Aug 2015, 6:28 am

Claims of deadly wildlife are grossly exaggerated except jellyfish some areas off the QLD beaches you just can't swim because of jellyfish. And don't swim in the Northern Territory or the crocs will get you. Spiders are not a worry really as long as you don't try to make them pets. Only the funnel webs are deadly, new research disproves red back spiders can kill still you don't want one as a pet. We don't have any large carnivorous mammals (left).

We could fit a few more people in fact the future predicted population is stable or deminishing.

THE PRIME MONSTER IS THE BIGGEST THREAT.



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14 Aug 2015, 7:28 am

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Why all the interest in invading Australia? we are just a far flung outpost of the UK (yes we kept the Union Jack and God save the Queen in our constitution)

Anyway there's no need to invade us as we are virtually American clones anyway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntYrAQVQZKs
Well, it looks like you don´t need to worry about an invasion any time soon, apparantly it´s only one person interested: me :lol:

What interest me most is the Australian nature. You have so many amazing animals over there, and all that space!
It´s unique :)
I would love to visit, and who knows, perhaps I will some day.


Yes the range of wildlife here is quite complex. Australia has one of the largest percentage of endemic animals in the world because we have been isolated (an island) for millions of years. Critters like Platypus and Echidnas have their own phylum as there is nothing remotely similar anywhere else.
Yep, for animals Australia is a dream to visit.

For people I´d choose the US though, the mix of cultures is fascinating. And even though being crowded, there still are isolated corners too, and deserts as well.
The climate in US and Canada would suit me better, too.

For history, archeology and culture I´d choose Africa. The most genuinly friendly people also seem to be found there.

The British Isles would be great too, with Hadrian's Wall and all those old ruins and stuff, and the nature is very beautiful too.

Lots of great stuff all over the planet :D I wouldn´t actually want to live in any one country, but rather stay for a year ot two and then move on.
But it would take LOTS of money. Which I don´t have. Problem solved :lol:



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14 Aug 2015, 8:14 am

Spiders - especially if many of them are around, make it "crawl" all over my body and the sight eventually makes me vomit. That´s why.
Not their fault. It´s just the way I feel.

I am, however, deeply sad about us, homo sapiens, as a species. We are just as primitive, endlessly self centered, ritualistic and cruel as our capacity for invention is outstanding.


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14 Aug 2015, 8:55 pm

Crazypandalady wrote:
Claims of deadly wildlife are grossly exaggerated except jellyfish some areas off the QLD beaches you just can't swim because of jellyfish. And don't swim in the Northern Territory or the crocs will get you. Spiders are not a worry really as long as you don't try to make them pets. Only the funnel webs are deadly, new research disproves red back spiders can kill still you don't want one as a pet. We don't have any large carnivorous mammals (left).

We could fit a few more people in fact the future predicted population is stable or deminishing.

THE PRIME MONSTER IS THE BIGGEST THREAT.


We could end up with Bill Shortbread err I mean shorten, I wouldn't want him as prime minister the country nearly went bankrupt under Gillard who was the worst prime minister we had since Keating.



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14 Aug 2015, 9:29 pm

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What´s happening in Australia?

Suddently interesting, more or less "wacky" people I happen to stumble across so often turn out to be Australian I start to think it can´t be a coincidence.
Like the stand up comedian Steve Hughes, and also Jim Jefferies (depending on my mood for the day, some days he´s a bit too much).
An Egyptian anchorite, Fr. Lazarus St. Anthony.
The "researcher, truth seeker, radio host, film-maker and one of the leaders of global awakening movement" Max Igan (definitely don´t agree with everything he says, but he has some very good points).
And the latest (thanks to traven in "what are you listening to THIS VERY SECOND?", I think),C W Stoneking.

Is Australia the AS land of freedom and opportunity, the promised land of oddballs?


Who is "we?"
You? Someone else? Nobody? I don´t know. This thread isn´t meant to be taken too seriously, so it doesn´t really matter. :)



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14 Aug 2015, 9:40 pm

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Spiders - especially if many of them are around, make it "crawl" all over my body and the sight eventually makes me vomit. That´s why.
Not their fault. It´s just the way I feel.
Is it because of their legs? Can´t say I have a phobia, but seeing too many spider legs at the same time makes me feel almost like sea sick...

Love your avatar, BTW :D



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15 Aug 2015, 12:32 am

Katira wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Katira wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Why all the interest in invading Australia? we are just a far flung outpost of the UK (yes we kept the Union Jack and God save the Queen in our constitution)

Anyway there's no need to invade us as we are virtually American clones anyway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntYrAQVQZKs
Well, it looks like you don´t need to worry about an invasion any time soon, apparantly it´s only one person interested: me :lol:

What interest me most is the Australian nature. You have so many amazing animals over there, and all that space!
It´s unique :)
I would love to visit, and who knows, perhaps I will some day.


Yes the range of wildlife here is quite complex. Australia has one of the largest percentage of endemic animals in the world because we have been isolated (an island) for millions of years. Critters like Platypus and Echidnas have their own phylum as there is nothing remotely similar anywhere else.
Yep, for animals Australia is a dream to visit.

For people I´d choose the US though, the mix of cultures is fascinating. And even though being crowded, there still are isolated corners too, and deserts as well.
The climate in US and Canada would suit me better, too.

For history, archeology and culture I´d choose Africa. The most genuinly friendly people also seem to be found there.

The British Isles would be great too, with Hadrian's Wall and all those old ruins and stuff, and the nature is very beautiful too.

Lots of great stuff all over the planet :D I wouldn´t actually want to live in any one country, but rather stay for a year ot two and then move on.
But it would take LOTS of money. Which I don´t have. Problem solved :lol:


Good luck Kitara, I sincerely hope you get to visit all these places :)



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15 Aug 2015, 12:33 am

Aprilviolets wrote:
Crazypandalady wrote:
Claims of deadly wildlife are grossly exaggerated except jellyfish some areas off the QLD beaches you just can't swim because of jellyfish. And don't swim in the Northern Territory or the crocs will get you. Spiders are not a worry really as long as you don't try to make them pets. Only the funnel webs are deadly, new research disproves red back spiders can kill still you don't want one as a pet. We don't have any large carnivorous mammals (left).

We could fit a few more people in fact the future predicted population is stable or deminishing.

THE PRIME MONSTER IS THE BIGGEST THREAT.


We could end up with Bill Shortbread err I mean shorten, I wouldn't want him as prime minister the country nearly went bankrupt under Gillard who was the worst prime minister we had since Keating.


What criteria do you judge leaders?



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15 Aug 2015, 12:34 am

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I am, however, deeply sad about us, homo sapiens, as a species. We are just as primitive, endlessly self centered, ritualistic and cruel as our capacity for invention is outstanding.


I'm afraid the prognosis isn't good :|



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15 Aug 2015, 4:17 am

cyberdad wrote:
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I am, however, deeply sad about us, homo sapiens, as a species. We are just as primitive, endlessly self centered, ritualistic and cruel as our capacity for invention is outstanding.


I'm afraid the prognosis isn't good :|


We're fine.

Don't let the media and hippy/Green indoctrination get to you.

We never would have made it to the point where there's an internet uproar over a lion getting taken out if we were a malevolent species.

If anything, we have the real potential of becoming too benevolent, and that can be exploited.



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15 Aug 2015, 8:24 am

Jensen wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Jensen wrote:
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there is so much publicity about australia's deadly animals, but they never attack people or they are rare to the point of insignificance.
there are not many people people in australia who are injured by deadly animals.
australia could probably support 50 million people as it is, but it would be a crowded way of life and i would hate it.

Well. A few days after the famous Steve(wildlife programs) died, I met an australian. We spoke about dangerous animals in Australia and he said, the rumours are wildly exaggerated. I asked him about spiders and he answered: "Yeah. They are a real "pain". They are everywhere, - even in cities.
That made my mind up. I love to visit Australia - through TV.



There are spiders everywhere, everywhere though....as they say chances are typically you are no more than 5 feet from a spider apparently.
It´s a little about size and venom too.


well there are 2 dangerous spiders and they are the funnel web and the red back. the red back seems innocuous since i have only ever seen about 3 in my life, and they live in out of the way webs and never roam about, and no one has died from one since at least the antivenom was introduced in 1956. they are also small and timid.
no one has died from a funnel web bite since 1979, and i would not worry about them too much. i am not sure how many people get bitten each year, but even a bite with no antivenom administered is unlikely to be fatal, and with antivenom, there has been little chance of succumbing to one.

the size of the funnelweb is about the same as a trapdoor spider, but funnel webs are black and have strange behaviour. i do not like them at all i must say, but i have not seen one for so long that it is pointless to worry.

brown snakes are very alert but they want to stay away from you if you are far way enough when they see you. on our farm when i was a child, i encountered about 3 brown snakes in my explorations over about 6 years, and that was in virgin rural country.
the problem with brown snakes is that they go from the idea that they should flee to the idea that they should stay and defend in a rapid instant, and that happens when you are still a fair distance away (like about 20 feet), but if one goes walking through long grass, then one should walk heavily so as to alert them of your approach. if you stay on tracks (trails) or are walking on ground with not much foliage to hinder visibility, then they will see you at a greater distance and will be gone when you pass.

it is not that dangerous a place for the most part. daredevils traipsing recklessly through kakadu might get snapped up along the way, but whatever. it is all for the thrill to them.

flies have mysteriously vanished over the past 20 years in sydney. there were never many anyway (not like in the outback), but now they are few and far between.
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curiously, when i was a child i used to sit on large rocks overlooking a river near my place, and there was an eccentric old man who often wandered around hunting for flies. he had a swat and a few cans of fly spray that he showed me once when i talked to him, and his only real joy in life came from finding and swatting flies. he said that there were not enough where he lived because it never took him long to dispatch them all, and when he had, he trotted off down into the bush to look for more. he seemed happy enough.
i wonder if he finally got them all? is that the reason we have so few flies in sydney now? if that could be translated into aboriginal, maybe it could pass as a new dream time legend for the modern age.



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15 Aug 2015, 8:58 am

Why has this thread been moved to Random? This is about whether Australia is a good place for people with Asperger's Syndrome or not (though not a serious one), isn't it?

Any way, I see red back spiders very often where I live. They are very common here. At work they are breeding. I think there are always some around in the room where I work. However, I have never heard of a case of anyone around me being bitten by one. Red backs seem to be very timid. You have to actively try to grab one to make it bite you.

cyberdad wrote:
Anyway there's no need to invade us as we are virtually American clones anyway

I missed this post earlier. I think this statement describes Australia very concisely.



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15 Aug 2015, 9:38 am

The problem with red backs is that they hide out of sight on objects, so they can get you when you pick up said objects and unknowingly touch them. Not to mention they're all over the place, unlike the more venomous snakes.

They won't hurt you too much in most cases, though.

There's really nothing all that uniquely scary/dangerous here. I suppose the saltwater crocodiles might be a bother if you live up north on the coastline, but even then they don't harm many people.

As with everywhere, other people are the most dangerous of critters around. Pretty rare to be severely hurt by one of those, however.



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15 Aug 2015, 6:50 pm

Dillogic wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Jensen wrote:
I am, however, deeply sad about us, homo sapiens, as a species. We are just as primitive, endlessly self centered, ritualistic and cruel as our capacity for invention is outstanding.


I'm afraid the prognosis isn't good :|


We're fine.

Don't let the media and hippy/Green indoctrination get to you.

We never would have made it to the point where there's an internet uproar over a lion getting taken out if we were a malevolent species.

If anything, we have the real potential of becoming too benevolent, and that can be exploited.


Australia has to be united to be strong. I don't feel united when I can't even talk to my own family let alone the people I live next door to :shrug: