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24 Sep 2019, 12:39 am

should, be prosecuetable as any felonious crime, but more severely . Only with a much lower threshold for evidence . :evil:


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24 Sep 2019, 2:23 am

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24 Sep 2019, 4:13 am

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I watched A Netflix movie that was based on a true event and it was called Unbelievable. This young woman was raped in her apartment by a random stranger and because she had been gaslighted during interrogation, she actually believed she made it up because they told her she did and said things she said weren't adding up and the contradictions. So she admitted to making it up and it cost her her home and friends and her job. I think for many years she believed she made it up and didn't know why and she probably dreamed it and thought it was real. But there was one therapist she had to see mandatory and she believed she was raped and told her she had been violated. She didn't believe that she made it up even if she said she did. She just knew she was coerced into thinking she made it up.

I don't think they intentionally gaslit her, the police force are not trained to understand trauma so you may only remember what the victimizer smelled like and stuff but not remember the order it happened in or what they looked like or how they came in. And the fact they expect the victim to understand the victimizer's motives like why they would just come in their apartment in the middle of the night and rape them and leave.


What an awful thing to happen to this girl. However, I don't think this is gaslighting.

What happened here is a form of repression due to false memory effect. The police interrogating her and put the thought in her head that maybe she imagined it. At some point she repressed the original rape and unintentionally incorporated the false memory that nothing happened (subliminally giving in to suggestion that she imaged everything).

Read articles by Professor Elizabeth Loftus, she's an expert on exactly this is sort of misinformation effect - detective/police interrogations are classic places for misinformation to be accidentally incorporated into a person's long term memory.


I thought that was the definition of gaslighting.


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24 Sep 2019, 4:33 am

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I watched A Netflix movie that was based on a true event and it was called Unbelievable. This young woman was raped in her apartment by a random stranger and because she had been gaslighted during interrogation, she actually believed she made it up because they told her she did and said things she said weren't adding up and the contradictions. So she admitted to making it up and it cost her her home and friends and her job. I think for many years she believed she made it up and didn't know why and she probably dreamed it and thought it was real. But there was one therapist she had to see mandatory and she believed she was raped and told her she had been violated. She didn't believe that she made it up even if she said she did. She just knew she was coerced into thinking she made it up.

I don't think they intentionally gaslit her, the police force are not trained to understand trauma so you may only remember what the victimizer smelled like and stuff but not remember the order it happened in or what they looked like or how they came in. And the fact they expect the victim to understand the victimizer's motives like why they would just come in their apartment in the middle of the night and rape them and leave.


What an awful thing to happen to this girl. However, I don't think this is gaslighting.

What happened here is a form of repression due to false memory effect. The police interrogating her and put the thought in her head that maybe she imagined it. At some point she repressed the original rape and unintentionally incorporated the false memory that nothing happened (subliminally giving in to suggestion that she imaged everything).

Read articles by Professor Elizabeth Loftus, she's an expert on exactly this is sort of misinformation effect - detective/police interrogations are classic places for misinformation to be accidentally incorporated into a person's long term memory.


I thought that was the definition of gaslighting.


Gaslighting happens when It is somebody she knows. For example if her husband was poisoning her and then pretending to support her in front of other people giving the impression she is weak and needs looking after then that is psychological manipulation typical of gaslighting (the bunsen burner producing the gas is the poison and the symptoms she is having is made to believe it's her fault is the manipulation).



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24 Sep 2019, 10:57 am

Jakki wrote:
should, be prosecuetable as any felonious crime, but more severely . Only with a much lower threshold for evidence . :evil:


So, if I claim you're gaslighting me, that should be enough to prosecute you? :lol:


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24 Sep 2019, 6:15 pm

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Anybody consider (or have applied) Mental Aikido (LINK)?

LINK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aikido#Mental_training


Easier said than done for someone who has ADD/Executive Functioning Deficit.
I also have an extreme sensitivity to caffeine which explains why I could never get anywhere with Transcendental Meditation.
It took me half a lifetime to work out the hyper effects of caffeine, btw.
I'm a slow learner. ;)



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24 Sep 2019, 6:24 pm

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Do you have a-kid/kids?

If so, firstly: Bwahahahaha.
What were you thinking? 8O
I guess your handle/nick-name is a dead giveaway. ;)

And secondly, they are bloody expensive critters.
Most people have heard of the evaluation of 1 child costing around a quarter of a million dollars from the gleam in the father's eye to age 18.

BTW, I was retired at your age. <chuckle>



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24 Sep 2019, 7:12 pm

[quote="SharonB"][/quote]

Best advice I can give you: "Don't smoke."
Err, I mean don't have children.
So expensive,
And so demanding,
So exhausting.

Yes, I am enjoying my retirement.
Literally, the best time in my life, though that was a low bar to hurdle.
Q: Why did the man/person repeatedly hit his head on the brick wall?
A: It felt so good when he stopped. ;)

It's pretty much like that for me now.
The life system hasn't changed.
It is still as brutal as it always has been.
But compared my younger years, every day is Christmas for me these days.
I think it has something to do with Einstein's theory of Yuletide relativity. <shrug>

P.S.
I tried to piggy-back this post to my previous one but this website's filtering/processing system is having a conniption.
What can you do? <shrug>
Perhaps it is a posting frequency thing. <shrug sumore>
It seems to help if you delete the content of the person's quote you are replying to.



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25 Sep 2019, 9:55 am

Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
My Morgatge means there's no chance of early retirement


Do you have a-kid/kids?

If so, firstly: Bwahahahaha.
What were you thinking? 8O
I guess your handle/nick-name is a dead giveaway. ;)

And secondly, they are bloody expensive critters.
Most people have heard of the evaluation of 1 child costing around a quarter of a million dollars from the gleam in the father's eye to age 18.

BTW, I was retired at your age. <chuckle>


Well it certainly was a trade off



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25 Sep 2019, 1:33 pm

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I think it has something to do with Einstein's theory of Yuletide relativity. <shrug>
It seems to help if you delete the content of the person's quote you are replying to.


Those Yuletides keep coming faster!! !!
I'll try the quote content removal trick.

I am glad Life is Good. :)



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28 Sep 2019, 11:07 pm

Seriously .... HAVE to wonder about this topic being even posted and why ?[/b]
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29 Sep 2019, 1:28 am

Jakki wrote:
Seriously .... HAVE to wonder about this topic being even posted and why ?[/b]
:skull:


To inform.
Do you have a problem with that? 8O

Many are unaware of what has been done or is being done to them.
Knowledge is power.
The truth shall set you free. :wink:



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29 Sep 2019, 8:27 pm

Pepe wrote:
Jakki wrote:
Seriously .... HAVE to wonder about this topic being even posted and why ?[/b]
:skull:


To inform.
Do you have a problem with that? 8O

Many are unaware of what has been done or is being done to them.
Knowledge is power.
The truth shall set you free. :wink:

Yes btw . Futhermore ,whyfore are here ?


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29 Sep 2019, 8:45 pm

Jakki wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Jakki wrote:
Seriously .... HAVE to wonder about this topic being even posted and why ?[/b]
:skull:


To inform.
Do you have a problem with that? 8O

Many are unaware of what has been done or is being done to them.
Knowledge is power.
The truth shall set you free. :wink:

Yes btw . Futhermore ,whyfore are here ?


Pardon? 8O