14 Aug 2008, 2:01 am
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14 Aug 2008, 2:09 am
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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His timeline would be destroyed, but ours would form in its place as a new timeline/universe. I don't know how it would work, but it is all conjectural anyway.
Yes, and it is very interesting
An alternative explanation for this is the existence of parallel universes, in this case, when Callinicus travels back in time, he would go to a parallel universe, living his own at the time he finds himself in 600AD (assuming this is the year) at that point, the rules of causality would not apply, because it is an alternative universe, in which he was never meant to exist, in the past, present and future.
What I picture is: by altering the past in his own timeline, this universe is replaced at that point onwards. But if you have multiple dimensions, dimensional travel from that universe without it being destroyed, well now you have dimension-hopping Islamic conquerers at some future point!
Well, if we live in a multiverse, as a proposal for the possibilty of time travel, then we can say that there is a universe in which the Nazis won WWII, there is another universe in which the USSR and USA went to a nuclear war and the USSR won
, another universe in which Islam is the predominant religion in the world, and so on.
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14 Aug 2008, 2:12 am
greenblue wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
greenblue wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
His timeline would be destroyed, but ours would form in its place as a new timeline/universe. I don't know how it would work, but it is all conjectural anyway.
Yes, and it is very interesting
An alternative explanation for this is the existence of parallel universes, in this case, when Callinicus travels back in time, he would go to a parallel universe, living his own at the time he finds himself in 600AD (assuming this is the year) at that point, the rules of causality would not apply, because it is an alternative universe, in which he was never meant to exist, in the past, present and future.
What I picture is: by altering the past in his own timeline, this universe is replaced at that point onwards. But if you have multiple dimensions, dimensional travel from that universe without it being destroyed, well now you have dimension-hopping Islamic conquerers at some future point!
Well, if we live in a multiverse, as a proposal for the possibilty of time travel, then we can say that there is a universe in which the Nazis won WWII, there is another universe in which the USSR and USA went to a nuclear war and the USSR won
, another universe in which Islam is the predominant religion in the world, and so on.Tis crazy.
14 Aug 2008, 2:18 am
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Time traveling isn't in the bible so therefore it's blasphemy. It's for sinners IMO. Same as computers, but I still use them. I sort of regret using any high-technology.
We could argue from this point of view that God would not allow anyone to go back in time, mostly if the reason is to correct past mistakes, and violating the principle of free will.
Free will is not a necessary doctrine. You have Armenianism and Calvinism, plus lots of gray patches in the middle... it's not quite as important as the doctrine of the Trinity.
I see, but would that make possible for God allowing people to travel back in time?
I think we would have to make the question if wether God created a multiuniverse rather than a single universe, and if not, then God would have made a natural law to prevent time travelling and create paradoxes.
Why would God have to do anything we think up?
well, one reason could be with the interference with past events, what if you prevent a biblical reference to happen, what if someone goes back in time and kills Mary when she was still pregnant
or something similar, to disrupt to passage of time God has made and planned?
Also, you could think of traveling back in time and prevent Adam and Eve from eating the forbidden fruit, if that was possible, would God allow it? From a Christian point of view.
14 Aug 2008, 2:22 am
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Tis crazy.
Well, they say that quantum mechanics is crazy
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14 Aug 2008, 2:24 am
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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
greenblue wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
greenblue wrote:
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Time traveling isn't in the bible so therefore it's blasphemy. It's for sinners IMO. Same as computers, but I still use them. I sort of regret using any high-technology.
We could argue from this point of view that God would not allow anyone to go back in time, mostly if the reason is to correct past mistakes, and violating the principle of free will.
Free will is not a necessary doctrine. You have Armenianism and Calvinism, plus lots of gray patches in the middle... it's not quite as important as the doctrine of the Trinity.
I see, but would that make possible for God allowing people to travel back in time?
I think we would have to make the question if wether God created a multiuniverse rather than a single universe, and if not, then God would have made a natural law to prevent time travelling and create paradoxes.
Why would God have to do anything we think up?
well, one reason could be with the interference with past events, what if you prevent a biblical reference to happen, what if someone goes back in time and kills Mary when she was still pregnant
or something similar, to disrupt to passage of time God has made and planned?Also, you could think of traveling back in time and prevent Adam and Eve from eating the forbidden fruit, if that was possible, would God allow it? From a Christian point of view.
For the first one, you'd probably be stopped by an angel.
For the second one, well, without the Fall, things might be fairly nice. You might need some fairly high powered weaponry to kill that snake depending on what type of serpent/dragon the physical body was and you wouldn't be able to destroy the spiritual being that was controlling the creature. I don't know. I wouldn't mind not being born if the world were still perfect as it was then.
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14 Aug 2008, 2:26 am
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Tis crazy.
Well, they say that quantum mechanics is crazy
Depends on how much you'd prefer to work with wave-functions and probability-fields.
14 Aug 2008, 2:36 am
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14 Aug 2008, 2:51 am
14 Aug 2008, 2:51 am
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Tis crazy.
Well, they say that quantum mechanics is crazy
Depends on how much you'd prefer to work with wave-functions and probability-fields.
It seems so, although there seem to be few interpretations of quantum mechanics, one which gives the possibility of the existence of parallel universes although it think it contradicts wavefunctions, I think.
The M theory also gives room for the existence of parallel universes, in which even explains and expands the big bang theory (in which postulates that a new universe is created that way when two brans collapse with each other) but I believe there is no evidence of that yet, and I know you don't accept that
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14 Aug 2008, 2:55 am
greenblue wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
greenblue wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Tis crazy.
Well, they say that quantum mechanics is crazy
Depends on how much you'd prefer to work with wave-functions and probability-fields.
It seems so, although there seem to be few interpretations of quantum mechanics, one which gives the possibility of the existence of parallel universe although it seems to contradcit wavefunctions, I think, the M theory also gives room for the existence of parallel universe, in which explains and expands the big bang theory, although you don't accept that.
Not the Friedmann-Lemaître model. But, a universe with a center and an edge rather.
14 Aug 2008, 3:07 am
greenblue wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
greenblue wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Tis crazy.
Well, they say that quantum mechanics is crazy
Depends on how much you'd prefer to work with wave-functions and probability-fields.
It seems so, although there seem to be few interpretations of quantum mechanics, one which gives the possibility of the existence of parallel universes although it think it contradicts wavefunctions, I think.
The M theory also gives room for the existence of parallel universes, in which even explains and expands the big bang theory (in which postulates that a new universe is created that way when two brans collapse with each other) but I believe there is no evidence of that yet, and I know you don't accept that
God may have created a big bang to create the Earth. You never know.
14 Aug 2008, 3:08 am
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He doesn't make our choices for us, so if Adam and Chavah had chosen to obey God, then it wouldn't have had to play out the way it did. Grudem's form of Calvinism has reasonable self-determination and Jesus, in the Sermon on the Mount, said that we would be held accountable for our thoughts and intentions, so Biblically we do think and choose even if we do not control the eventual outcome.
well, it seems to me that free-will would be an issue here, from Adam's point of view in this case, although you said that according to Calvinism that wouldn't be an issue, which I'm not familiar with it actually, it doesn't make much sense to me, it might be why
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Edit: Also the events of Byzantium are after the Bible's history anyway.
But, could we go back to discussing Callinicus, Greek Fire, or something else so the mods don't send this to Hell (id est: PPR)... Please?
But, could we go back to discussing Callinicus, Greek Fire, or something else so the mods don't send this to Hell (id est: PPR)... Please?
You are right, just wanted to say that last thing, where were we?
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