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08 Dec 2008, 3:05 pm

Here's a topic. I heard about a bloke who's written a book claiming Hitler had good reason to believe that he could successfully invade the Soviet Union. He says that no one really knew what Uncle Joe was capable of, or that a huge industrial complex could be conjured up overnight.


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08 Dec 2008, 3:58 pm

Once, when I was 12, I was channle surfing and stumbled accross the history channel. Been watching it ever since.

I'm a WWII buff.


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08 Dec 2008, 4:31 pm

As for my favorite aircrafts, I'm going with the Spitfire and the F4U Corsair as my favorite fighters and the B-24 as my choice of bomber. My favorite land vehicle of WWII is, hands down, the DUKW (though it's also a sea vehicle). For small arms, I find the M-1 Carbine and the grease gun (M3 sub-machine gun) to be the most interesting small arms.


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08 Dec 2008, 8:15 pm

Prof_Pretorius wrote:
Here's a topic. I heard about a bloke who's written a book claiming Hitler had good reason to believe that he could successfully invade the Soviet Union. He says that no one really knew what Uncle Joe was capable of, or that a huge industrial complex could be conjured up overnight.


Anything past Moscow was something of a guess, to be true, but that really is only half an excuse. It was as much the winter as anything the Soviet military did that screwed the Germans. It is also a reasonable guess that if your opponent runs a nation that crosses half the damn planet, he is liable to be up to things in the bits you cant reach, or have resources way beyond yours. He would have been better served leaving a detente with the Soviets until they were fully engaged in a second front with the Japanese.. THEN mounting an invasion.


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08 Dec 2008, 10:40 pm

d'oh! I forgot the Warthog, which essentially is a flying cannon...;)



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08 Dec 2008, 11:11 pm

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depends on what you mean by cannon. The US had a bomber in WWII that had a 75mm in the nose for tank-busting (involving some fancy footwork by crew members who had to jump up to avoid getting hit by the breech...;) I think the Germans and Russians did the same thing, one had a cannon that fired through the center of the propeller (and the engine, for that matter).

Then there's always the Gunship, with a 105mm firing sideways out the plane. Not sure if it came before or after the Phantom (they were contemporaries, tho)

Still, I think the 'ranking' bit was based on production (quantity), production run (lifespan), 'fear factor', and a couple of other things (at least on the Military channel..;)
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Thats the AC-130 Spectre a modifyed c-130 hurculese to cary a 105mm 40mm cannons and a 25mm gatling gun... which it pumels enemys with as it cuircles above...


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08 Dec 2008, 11:27 pm

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Prof_Pretorius wrote:
Here's a topic. I heard about a bloke who's written a book claiming Hitler had good reason to believe that he could successfully invade the Soviet Union. He says that no one really knew what Uncle Joe was capable of, or that a huge industrial complex could be conjured up overnight.


Anything past Moscow was something of a guess, to be true, but that really is only half an excuse. It was as much the winter as anything the Soviet military did that screwed the Germans. It is also a reasonable guess that if your opponent runs a nation that crosses half the damn planet, he is liable to be up to things in the bits you cant reach, or have resources way beyond yours. He would have been better served leaving a detente with the Soviets until they were fully engaged in a second front with the Japanese.. THEN mounting an invasion.


Well Hitler made the same mistake that Napoleon made, The Russian Winter. Also, Stalin was holding back against the Germans because he was not sure about Japan opening a second front on Russia. His spy in Japan insure the second front was not to happened. Thus Stalin brought 40 divisions from Siberia to the East. Then he wait for the German to resupply and pull back to launch a full scale counter strike with the Red Army thus pushing back the Germans who were in 19 miles of Moscow 50 miles.


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09 Dec 2008, 1:12 pm

I've argued that Hitler signed his death warrant when he signed Operation Barbarossa. How could he not know that Stalin was a monster? How could he think that the Wehrmacht could keep going during the Russian winter? Or the spring mud? And what was he thinking when he gave orders to annihilate all Russian jews? Or to leave scorched earth as the army moved forward? Not to mention the fact he gave orders to steal Russian art ?
It can be argued he didn't know what Stalin could do, but to open such a huge front at the same time he had most of Europe under his control??


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10 Dec 2008, 12:48 am

I know a bit, but not completely. I mean if you asked me who Cornwallis was or who General Custard was I would be able to answer. But I have trouble remembering dates. :P



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12 Dec 2008, 2:08 pm

I've run across a WWII website that you post photos on. I'm seriously thinking of signing up. My father left a pile of photos he took, some are amazing.


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12 Dec 2008, 2:11 pm

You must post some up on WP!! ! Id love to see some vintage WWII photos. :D


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12 Dec 2008, 2:19 pm

I haven't scanned amy, but since you asked ! !! !

Will do.

Wish I had asked my father how he was able to take so many pictures. He wasn't a journalist or anything like that. But he left me scrapbooks full of pictures.

(A quick check of my garage shows my poor memory. I know the scrapbooks are out there, but I'll have to dig them out this weekend.)


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12 Dec 2008, 11:19 pm

General Custard? wasn't he the one who was killed in the basement with a pipe wrench?...;)

While it's probably not all that accurate, my view of GA Custer was formed by Little Big Man...;) If he'd taken the Gatlings, Hayes might have lost the election...;) The Indian women who 'cleaned up' pierced his eardrums (he was alrady dead) so he'd listen better in the next world...



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13 Dec 2008, 2:51 am

I like reasing up on WWI Airplanes and Pre-historic warfare (Celtic expansionism, Proto-Slavs, Proto-Scythians, Blackfoot-Cree Wars.)



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13 Dec 2008, 11:09 am

Ex-Wehrmact General Guderian wrote his biography and explained why Hitler thought the USSR was vulnerable.

In the winter of 1940, Soviet forces attacked Finland. Despite overwhelming superiority of men, tanks, planes, and artillery, the Red army was defeated in several battles along the long Finnish/USSR border. Eventually, and after significant losses, the Russian forces succeeded in breaking through the Mannerheim line, thus bringing Finnish leaders to the point of negotiation w/the USSR. But it was a blundering, bloody mess, made worse by the fact that Stalin had purged most of his general officer corps during the late 30s. (I can provide figures, it's not a pretty picture).

If the tiny Finnish army could blunt and defeat the massive Red Army, what chance, or so it was thought, would the Russians have against the Wehrmact? At that time the most advanced military in Europe, if not the planet. (arguably)

"You have only to kick in the door, and the whole rotten structure will come tumbling down." --Hitler, to his General Staff, prior to Operation Barbarossa.



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13 Dec 2008, 12:36 pm

Exile wrote:
Ex-Wehrmact General Guderian wrote his biography and explained why Hitler thought the USSR was vulnerable.

In the winter of 1940, Soviet forces attacked Finland. Despite overwhelming superiority of men, tanks, planes, and artillery, the Red army was defeated in several battles along the long Finnish/USSR border. Eventually, and after significant losses, the Russian forces succeeded in breaking through the Mannerheim line, thus bringing Finnish leaders to the point of negotiation w/the USSR. But it was a blundering, bloody mess, made worse by the fact that Stalin had purged most of his general officer corps during the late 30s. (I can provide figures, it's not a pretty picture).

If the tiny Finnish army could blunt and defeat the massive Red Army, what chance, or so it was thought, would the Russians have against the Wehrmact? At that time the most advanced military in Europe, if not the planet. (arguably)

"You have only to kick in the door, and the whole rotten structure will come tumbling down." --Hitler, to his General Staff, prior to Operation Barbarossa.


Actually the Russian attacked Finland in 1939-1940 winter and a funny thing about, Sweden sent volunteers and supplies to back Finland.

Vintage Photo of WWII and an icon of the US Marine Corps
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