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06 Oct 2025, 10:17 am

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Question for women as this is not the Women's Forum: Is being a tomboy different if you're strictly lesbian vs. if you're hetero or bisexual?


Hmm. Well, I suppose the terminology and expectations are a bit different. On dating apps aimed at lesbian and bisexual women, sometimes you're given the option to put whether you're a butch or a femme and what you're looking for.

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Thanks this is very interesting!

But this isn't really what I had in mind.

My thoughts were more like, if you're lesbian that being considered a tomboy in primary school would be equivalent to having had a love for Broadway show tunes as a boy for a gay man.

Whereas in the hetero world, there are actually negatives associated with extreme "girlyness", like some men might prefer a woman who doesn't spend a lot of time on fashion and cosmetics, and if a woman had been considered a tomboy in her childhood but was straight, that would be seen as a plus. If you're looking for a good example in the media consider Starbuck in Battlestar Galactica (a recasting of a character who in the OG series was male) however that character was written as heterosexual and I think it was expected that someone like that would be a male fantasy for some people.

So does this perception ring true at all? I am basically just guessing.


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06 Oct 2025, 10:19 am

^ I was considering starting a thread like this is women's discussion. :)


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06 Oct 2025, 2:03 pm

I canceled my table at the flea market and I'm going to visit my parents this weekend. I'm not letting three colours get between my mum and I.


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06 Oct 2025, 2:05 pm

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06 Oct 2025, 2:07 pm

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06 Oct 2025, 4:44 pm

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I'm excited to go to Oregon with my friends next Friday.


I'm excited for you. :D

Thank you. :D



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06 Oct 2025, 4:46 pm

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06 Oct 2025, 5:43 pm

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06 Oct 2025, 6:52 pm

MaxE wrote:
My thoughts were more like, if you're lesbian that being considered a tomboy in primary school would be equivalent to having had a love for Broadway show tunes as a boy for a gay man.


Yeah, pretty much. It's the expected. Personally for me I didn't relate to femininity growing up because in media it was always presented as something that you intentionally perform to appeal to boys / men. I did go through a phase where I would do up my hair and paint my nails pink and I tried to be more feminine in general to fit in with the girls but it was dismissed as insincere and fake.

I remember a girl in school said to me that I have the energy of a feminine man and I don't think she even meant it as an insult. Somehow I knew what she meant, I often related a lot more to gender non-conforming male characters than female characters growing up (although part of that is somewhat due to writers having a habit of being bad at writing female characters). Frankly it's surprising that none of my English teachers ever questioned why I near always wrote my stories as a male narrator. The amount of gay poetry I wrote, as a teenage girl, supposedly from a male perspective is kind of funny to think about. It never really clicked that perhaps spending my time writing poetry about how pretty women are might not be a fully heterosexual activity. At the time I just thought it meant I was a cool girl who was good at being empathetic towards men. The amount of lesbians I've met that can relate makes me think the equivalent of show tunes is unintentionally writing lesbian poetry. :lmao: (Pretty fitting considering where the word lesbian comes from).

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Whereas in the hetero world, there are actually negatives associated with extreme "girlyness", like some men might prefer a woman who doesn't spend a lot of time on fashion and cosmetics, and if a woman had been considered a tomboy in her childhood but was straight, that would be seen as a plus. If you're looking for a good example in the media consider Starbuck in Battlestar Galactica (a recasting of a character who in the OG series was male) however that character was written as heterosexual and I think it was expected that someone like that would be a male fantasy for some people.

So does this perception ring true at all? I am basically just guessing.


I've heard about this. I don't think 'extreme girlyness' is particularly looked down on in the gay community. Perhaps some look down on it. Although there are certainly plenty of lesbians who are into dressing up in cottagecore fashion.

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Cottagecore referring to long flowing dresses, corsets and otherwise traditional clothing.

Sometimes really butch lesbians are viewed negatively by certain people in the community for supposedly 'giving the community a bad name / making us look bad to straight people' and the same sentiment is made about flamboyant gay men. However, I think this tends to be an unpopular opinion and it's not one I believe in.

I'd consider myself to be casually femme. I really like dark academia.

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06 Oct 2025, 7:07 pm

got no future

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so many precious lil "people" have felony convictions and not authroized to work in the country, but they earn enough $$$ to pay for rent, cars, children. while i do not

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07 Oct 2025, 12:28 am

I made a Grade A idiot of myself during karaoke singing Made in England by Elton John this afternoon. I thought it was funny until I watched the official Vevo video on YouTube just now. I did it as a joke and now the joke's on me. I should have just followed my heart and done Lili Marlene instead.


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07 Oct 2025, 12:46 am

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07 Oct 2025, 1:38 pm

If I didn't go to the clubhouse, I'd be watching TV all day.


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07 Oct 2025, 2:48 pm

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07 Oct 2025, 3:28 pm

I heard that in the womb, all human embryos start out female, but then the Y chromosome turns many of them into a male at some point. Which means humans can be a different gender before they are even born.

But don't tell the transphobic right wingnuts, they cannot stand science and intelligence anyway.

And for some reason they don't seem to think trans men (who were born female) exist.



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07 Oct 2025, 5:53 pm

The bad: I seem to have lost my appetite lately.

The good: At least I'll be dieting without actually dieting.

Fact: I'm still eating, but not as much as I normally do.


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