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30 Nov 2020, 1:58 pm

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mind altering drugs sourced from plants like the psilocybin mushroom have been used for centuries by shamans to open their doors of perception (as postulated by Aldous Huxley).

I have watched plenty of documentaries and read accounts by writers such as Graham Hancock and would be interested to try. However the impact on the body is scary and painful.

I have not heard of psilocybin being painful though


The side effects can vary depending on the dose on the constitution of the person taking it. They involve involuntary retching, diarroeah and overall loss of senses. Not pleasant especially the first time it's used.


That's amanita muscaria not psilocybin. The former are the toadstools used by shamans, the latter are magic mushrooms. They're not the same thing but often conflated.


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30 Nov 2020, 3:32 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
adromedanblackhole wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
mind altering drugs sourced from plants like the psilocybin mushroom have been used for centuries by shamans to open their doors of perception (as postulated by Aldous Huxley).

I have watched plenty of documentaries and read accounts by writers such as Graham Hancock and would be interested to try. However the impact on the body is scary and painful.

I have not heard of psilocybin being painful though


The side effects can vary depending on the dose on the constitution of the person taking it. They involve involuntary retching, diarroeah and overall loss of senses. Not pleasant especially the first time it's used.


That's amanita muscaria not psilocybin. The former are the toadstools used by shamans, the latter are magic mushrooms. They're not the same thing but often conflated.


Sorry I conflated the two. The ancient indo-Europeans used a form of magic mushroom to make a brew called "Soma". Despite it's long attested use and bardic songs there is surprisingly no information on how this hallucinagenic concoction was created or even where mushroom was found (botanists think it's a type of mushroom growing on cow dung but they can't be sure).

Soma was thought to give their warriors super-powers (not unlike viking bezerkers) which allowed their numerically inferior nomadic people to invade and destroy fortifications of older established civilisations absorbing them to give rise to the Hittites, Greeks, Persians, Indians, Indeed the hymns of the Rig Veda (considered the oldest Indo-European oral tradition) praise the war god of thunder (sound familiar) in helping them destroy the walls of their enemy.

Soma was therefore crucial for the ascendency of the Indo-Europeans without which we would not be speaking English.



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02 Dec 2020, 2:53 am

I don't think anyone knows how to respond lol



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02 Dec 2020, 3:28 am

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I don't think anyone knows how to respond lol


I am out of my depth, here.
But I'm trying.
Everyone says so. :mrgreen:



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02 Dec 2020, 4:04 am

Pepe wrote:
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I don't think anyone knows how to respond lol


I am out of my depth, here.
But I'm trying.
Everyone says so. :mrgreen:


well I'm not saying it's aliens



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02 Dec 2020, 4:44 am

there was a columnist named Mike Royko, he wrote for the chicago sun-times et al, he had a theory he liked to expound upon at cocktail parties and such, that we humans are the distant descendents of a defective reject race booted off of a very advanced planet millions of years ago, sent out in a space probe that landed on earth. IOW earth is that other advanced planet's "australia*" of sorts.
*england [1800s] used to send its rejects/convicts down under to get rid of them.



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02 Dec 2020, 3:21 pm

Pepe wrote:
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I'm not interested in creating an Oxford-style debate - or any formal style debate, which tends to happen on topics such as this

<snip>

But when a conversation takes the tone of a debate uhhh the back and forth is just becomes so horrendously tedious and boring to be a part of on a topic that is just fun and interesting to me - if you have questions and especially if they're fun or imaginative have a go


I am exactly the same.
I have often told people that I am overwhelmingly not interested in a debate.
Rather, I am interested in a *discussion* with the intention of mutual sharing and/or enlightenment.

I grew up in a family environment which always played the "Devil's advocacy" game.
Needless to say, I have very little time for that. ;)

Ciao...



I feel the same about enjoying discussions but finding debates generally uninteresting.

It reminds me of when I was studying Philosophy for my undergrad degree and thought it would be fun to take a Politics elective. Nope!

To me, a philosophical discussion is a team effort - a joint venture into the realm of ideas.

Whereas a political debate is spiky and deaf.

I shy away from debates because they put me at risk of rolling my eyes so hard they detach and eat my own brain.



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02 Dec 2020, 3:54 pm

auntblabby wrote:
there was a columnist named Mike Royko, he wrote for the chicago sun-times et al, he had a theory he liked to expound upon at cocktail parties and such, that we humans are the distant descendents of a defective reject race booted off of a very advanced planet millions of years ago, sent out in a space probe that landed on earth. IOW earth is that other advanced planet's "australia*" of sorts.
*england [1800s] used to send its rejects/convicts down under to get rid of them.


As an Australian that hurts Blabs :lol:



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03 Dec 2020, 12:16 am

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Alien anal probing was a coverup story for unethical human experimentations by the establishment. 8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZBp0aVQpFU



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03 Dec 2020, 12:20 am

adromedanblackhole wrote:
I don't think anyone knows how to respond lol
And how exactly should we respond?



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03 Dec 2020, 12:27 am

StayFrosty wrote:
adromedanblackhole wrote:
I don't think anyone knows how to respond lol
And how exactly should we respond?


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03 Dec 2020, 12:33 am

cyberdad wrote:
StayFrosty wrote:
adromedanblackhole wrote:
I don't think anyone knows how to respond lol
And how exactly should we respond?


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03 Dec 2020, 2:08 am

Bonanza Jay wrote:
Pepe wrote:
adromedanblackhole wrote:

I'm not interested in creating an Oxford-style debate - or any formal style debate, which tends to happen on topics such as this

<snip>

But when a conversation takes the tone of a debate uhhh the back and forth is just becomes so horrendously tedious and boring to be a part of on a topic that is just fun and interesting to me - if you have questions and especially if they're fun or imaginative have a go


I am exactly the same.
I have often told people that I am overwhelmingly not interested in a debate.
Rather, I am interested in a *discussion* with the intention of mutual sharing and/or enlightenment.

I grew up in a family environment which always played the "Devil's advocacy" game.
Needless to say, I have very little time for that. ;)

Ciao...



I feel the same about enjoying discussions but finding debates generally uninteresting.

It reminds me of when I was studying Philosophy for my undergrad degree and thought it would be fun to take a Politics elective. Nope!

To me, a philosophical discussion is a team effort - a joint venture into the realm of ideas.

Whereas a political debate is spiky and deaf.

I shy away from debates because they put me at risk of rolling my eyes so hard they detach and eat my own brain.


I started to post in the Philosophy, Politics, and Religion forum again, just recently.
I've skipped looking in there, for the last 2 days, because I find the partisan groupthink attitude tedious. :roll:



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03 Dec 2020, 4:58 am

cyberdad wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
there was a columnist named Mike Royko, he wrote for the chicago sun-times et al, he had a theory he liked to expound upon at cocktail parties and such, that we humans are the distant descendents of a defective reject race booted off of a very advanced planet millions of years ago, sent out in a space probe that landed on earth. IOW earth is that other advanced planet's "australia*" of sorts.
*england [1800s] used to send its rejects/convicts down under to get rid of them.


As an Australian that hurts Blabs :lol:

sorry, that was not the intent. your humanely estimable nation arose from those beginnings to be among the greatest in the world. :wtg: :star: :king:



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03 Dec 2020, 7:56 am

My grandfather was at the Roswell base in 1947 and I spent 10 years at Area 51. Whatcha wanna know?



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03 Dec 2020, 4:01 pm

Tempus Fugit wrote:
My grandfather was at the Roswell base in 1947 and I spent 10 years at Area 51. Whatcha wanna know?

Everything! start from the beginning (if you don't mind)