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funeralxempire
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20 Oct 2021, 3:26 pm
21 Oct 2021, 8:54 am
funeralxempire wrote:
Flown wrote:
I think you are right about PPR. I pretty much need to swear it off for my own sanity.
If you spend enough time there you start to notice all the bad habits of the people you generally agree with because it's an eventuality that you'll end up disagreeing with each of them at one point or another.
I have no issue with having disagreements with others. It's illogical to think that people will align with me on every issue, and I DO like a healthy debate. However, one trend I've noticed in PPR (at least in SOME individuals) is the unwavering assumption that one is RIGHT and an unwillingness to see things in any other light. Also, I'm not sure if this is solely within the autistic community, but many individuals have a very hard time seeing any gray areas (all black & white thinking). While I've definitely struggled with black & white thinking throughout my lifetime, I try my very best to see all sides of an argument (all the shades of gray).
In summation, I'm going to be avoiding PPR because I think a lot of the "debates" are pointless. A lot of people with strong opinions that are unwilling to see the gray areas and come to some sort of agreement/compromise. As HoH mentioned, I think a lot of people enjoy arguing, and that really isn't something I like doing.
I'm a lot calmer and happier just chatting and playing games here
funeralxempire
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21 Oct 2021, 10:32 am
Flown wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Flown wrote:
I think you are right about PPR. I pretty much need to swear it off for my own sanity.
If you spend enough time there you start to notice all the bad habits of the people you generally agree with because it's an eventuality that you'll end up disagreeing with each of them at one point or another.
I have no issue with having disagreements with others. It's illogical to think that people will align with me on every issue, and I DO like a healthy debate. However, one trend I've noticed in PPR (at least in SOME individuals) is the unwavering assumption that one is RIGHT and an unwillingness to see things in any other light. Also, I'm not sure if this is solely within the autistic community, but many individuals have a very hard time seeing any gray areas (all black & white thinking). While I've definitely struggled with black & white thinking throughout my lifetime, I try my very best to see all sides of an argument (all the shades of gray).
In summation, I'm going to be avoiding PPR because I think a lot of the "debates" are pointless. A lot of people with strong opinions that are unwilling to see the gray areas and come to some sort of agreement/compromise. As HoH mentioned, I think a lot of people enjoy arguing, and that really isn't something I like doing.
I'm a lot calmer and happier just chatting and playing games here
By bad habits I don't mean disagreements themselves but instead stuff like turning on the snark and condescension in response to having a point turn out to be less than solid, or being prone to ignoring/missing/dismissing nuance when it doesn't support one's conclusions, relying only on one questionable news source and dismissing any reporting that doesn't align with that source, fixating on single topic to the point that any conversation ends up on that topic, etc.
Even though I enjoy PPR, much of the criticisms made about it are true. I wouldn't wish to make anyone feel obliged to participate.
27 Oct 2021, 5:38 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
Flown wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Flown wrote:
I think you are right about PPR. I pretty much need to swear it off for my own sanity.
If you spend enough time there you start to notice all the bad habits of the people you generally agree with because it's an eventuality that you'll end up disagreeing with each of them at one point or another.
I have no issue with having disagreements with others. It's illogical to think that people will align with me on every issue, and I DO like a healthy debate. However, one trend I've noticed in PPR (at least in SOME individuals) is the unwavering assumption that one is RIGHT and an unwillingness to see things in any other light. Also, I'm not sure if this is solely within the autistic community, but many individuals have a very hard time seeing any gray areas (all black & white thinking). While I've definitely struggled with black & white thinking throughout my lifetime, I try my very best to see all sides of an argument (all the shades of gray).
In summation, I'm going to be avoiding PPR because I think a lot of the "debates" are pointless. A lot of people with strong opinions that are unwilling to see the gray areas and come to some sort of agreement/compromise. As HoH mentioned, I think a lot of people enjoy arguing, and that really isn't something I like doing.
I'm a lot calmer and happier just chatting and playing games here
By bad habits I don't mean disagreements themselves but instead stuff like turning on the snark and condescension in response to having a point turn out to be less than solid, or being prone to ignoring/missing/dismissing nuance when it doesn't support one's conclusions, relying only on one questionable news source and dismissing any reporting that doesn't align with that source, fixating on single topic to the point that any conversation ends up on that topic, etc.
Even though I enjoy PPR, much of the criticisms made about it are true. I wouldn't wish to make anyone feel obliged to participate.
...Don't forget the "fellow travellers" who have gone to such a deluded extreme that they undermine your position simply by existing. Like the "exterminate the elderly for voting Tory" guy who keeps popping up.
21 Nov 2021, 12:58 am
I'm ginger-ish & I have never been liked by many people. I get the social equivalent of being laughed at unless I put in an effort to blend in.
I'm a bit pathetic I suppose, but I don't seek pity.
I will never submit my ginger hair, with hair dye or anything else.
01 Dec 2021, 7:22 pm
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06 Dec 2021, 6:16 am
06 Dec 2021, 6:37 am
Flown wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Flown wrote:
I think you are right about PPR. I pretty much need to swear it off for my own sanity.
If you spend enough time there you start to notice all the bad habits of the people you generally agree with because it's an eventuality that you'll end up disagreeing with each of them at one point or another.
I have no issue with having disagreements with others. It's illogical to think that people will align with me on every issue, and I DO like a healthy debate. However, one trend I've noticed in PPR (at least in SOME individuals) is the unwavering assumption that one is RIGHT and an unwillingness to see things in any other light. Also, I'm not sure if this is solely within the autistic community, but many individuals have a very hard time seeing any gray areas (all black & white thinking). While I've definitely struggled with black & white thinking throughout my lifetime, I try my very best to see all sides of an argument (all the shades of gray).
I used to believe autistics overwhelmingly tended to see the complexity of the situation, but my experiences in PPR destroyed this preconception.
Almost all of the Black&white thinking there is a result of political hyper-partisanship.
The "Us against them" mindset overwhelmingly from the progressive side, devoid of objectivity.
Flown wrote:
In summation, I'm going to be avoiding PPR because I think a lot of the "debates" are pointless. A lot of people with strong opinions that are unwilling to see the gray areas and come to some sort of agreement/compromise. As HoH mentioned, I think a lot of people enjoy arguing, and that really isn't something I like doing.
I used to put a *lot* of effort into my replies, with a great deal of research.
I virtually gave that up over 2 years ago because no matter how well thought out and rational my argument, it was simply met with a hyper-partisan "Is not" reply.
What can you do? <shrug>
06 Dec 2021, 7:57 am
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funeralxempire
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10 Dec 2021, 8:23 pm
I don't think I said that. Why pull me in?
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