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19 Mar 2013, 11:09 am

Race is a fabrication.

I'm not into fabrics.

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19 Mar 2013, 1:20 pm

Stoek wrote:

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We are therefore, according to this, all mixed race.

Surely therefore, implying or believing that only people with mixed colouring are entitled to be called mixed-race, is a type of racism, as it deliberately excludes those who are also mixed-race:

I didn't know half-caste was considered offensive as it's a dictionary term, I wouldn't take it as offensive. I think this reminds me of the PC thread where it was discussed how people turn previously innocent terminology into something offensive.

I don't see the relevance of Chinese not being confused with German heritage Stoek. That goes back to what I said about excluding people from a group based on ethnically obvious characteristics such as colouring (or eye type etc.).

First off you've removed much of the context away from most of your arugments.

You can't say were all mixed race, than suggest were all mixed, it nullifies the concept of race by itself.

Of course no one is doubt that race is an absurd construct.

However your also confusing racism with discrimination again by not getting context.

To say only ethnic groups are allowed to be considered mixed races is discriminatory not racists. This doesn't denote any racist belief than any group in intrinsically better, only different.

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You can't say were all mixed race, than suggest were all mixed, it nullifies the concept of race by itself.

Huh?

This doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism

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a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.

Discrimination is a form of racism. Excluding person(s) from a group for reason of their race is a form of racism.

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19 Mar 2013, 1:25 pm

http://www.modernghana.com/news/230491/ ... binos.html

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ ... people.htm

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19 Mar 2013, 3:22 pm

whirlingmind wrote:

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@Cafeaulait & Stoek:

Not so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiracial

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The terms multiracial and mixed-race describe people or groups of people whose ancestries come from multiple races. Unlike the term biracial, which often is only used to refer to having parents or grandparents of two different races, the term multiracial may encompass biracial people but can also include people with more than two races in their heritage, or also may refer to the origin of more generationally distant genetic admixtures of more than one race in a person's DNA.

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Genetic admixture occurs when individuals from two or more previously separated populations begin interbreeding.

We are therefore, according to this, all mixed race.

What you should have made a thread about, going by what you have said, is people who are half-caste.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-caste

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Half-caste is a category of people of mixed race or ethnicity.[1] It is derived from the term Caste, which comes from the Latin castus, meaning pure, and the derivative Portuguese and Spanish casta, meaning race.

Surely therefore, implying or believing that only people with mixed colouring are entitled to be called mixed-race, is a type of racism, as it deliberately excludes those who are also mixed-race:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

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Racism and racial discrimination are often used to describe discrimination on an ethnic or cultural basis, independent of whether these differences are described as racial.

Well, I don't see a white britt and a white dutchman making a mixed race child.
there are mixed race people that look more one or the other race, and i am not denying that, but mixed race is something else than mixed nationality.

and that has noting to do with racism, so i don't know why you are turning this into such a topic.

it's also funny that you say 'we are all mixed race' but very few people actually idenitfy that way. it's nice in theory, but not in the real world.

When I said we are all mixed race, I mean way back into prehistoric times. There is evidence that the white look of people comes from albino Africans who migrated away from the hot climates. We are all the product of intermingling across the globe.

I didn't know half-caste was considered offensive as it's a dictionary term, I wouldn't take it as offensive. I think this reminds me of the PC thread where it was discussed how people turn previously innocent terminology into something offensive.

I don't see the relevance of Chinese not being confused with German heritage Stoek. That goes back to what I said about excluding people from a group based on ethnically obvious characteristics such as colouring (or eye type etc.).

I do find half-caste offensive, and I know that many black and white people who find it offensive. I would also never describe myself as half-caste to someone else.
In the UK, to multiracials, the world has a very negative connotation.

Here is some information about it, here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressr ... xed6.shtml

I think a Chinese person can have blonde hair and blue eyes. A Chinese person can be Caucasian yes. But when I ask 'who is mixed race on here', and someone says 'my mom is chinese', then I am assuming the mom is Asian, and his the matching physical features. And I bet in 90 percent of the cases this is correct.

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19 Mar 2013, 3:25 pm

Im half egyptian arab and half english, although I prefer to call myself mixed heritage.

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19 Mar 2013, 3:37 pm

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I do find half-caste offensive, and I know that many black and white people who find it offensive. I would also never describe myself as half-caste to someone else.

In the UK, to multiracials, the world has a very negative connotation.

Here is some information about it, here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressr ... xed6.shtml

I think a Chinese person can have blonde hair and blue eyes. A Chinese person can be Caucasian yes. But when I ask 'who is mixed race on here', and someone says 'my mom is chinese', then I am assuming the mom is Asian, and his the matching physical features. And I bet in 90 percent of the cases this is correct.

I'm trying to remain factual, not to bring political correctness into it, that's a whole other story.

I don't know what you mean by:

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In the UK, to multiracials, the world has a very negative connotation.

Why would the world have a negative connotation, anyone at all could say that, I don't see the connection?

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19 Mar 2013, 3:54 pm

whirlingmind wrote:

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I do find half-caste offensive, and I know that many black and white people who find it offensive. I would also never describe myself as half-caste to someone else.

In the UK, to multiracials, the world has a very negative connotation.

Here is some information about it, here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressr ... xed6.shtml

I think a Chinese person can have blonde hair and blue eyes. A Chinese person can be Caucasian yes. But when I ask 'who is mixed race on here', and someone says 'my mom is chinese', then I am assuming the mom is Asian, and his the matching physical features. And I bet in 90 percent of the cases this is correct.

I'm trying to remain factual, not to bring political correctness into it, that's a whole other story.

I don't know what you mean by:

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In the UK, to multiracials, the world has a very negative connotation.

Why would the world have a negative connotation, anyone at all could say that, I don't see the connection?

The use of the term ´politically correct´ has become meaningless. So either just explain what you mean, or don´t use it at all. I don´t see what political correctness has to do with this.

Well it obviously does, it even says there in the article. Black and white people find it offensive. So do I. You say everyone could say it, yet black and white people never use the word to describe themselves and even find it offensive (click on link'). Same as with half-breed. Stems from colonialism.

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19 Mar 2013, 4:29 pm

Cafeaulait wrote:

whirlingmind wrote:

Cafeaulait wrote:

I do find half-caste offensive, and I know that many black and white people who find it offensive. I would also never describe myself as half-caste to someone else.

In the UK, to multiracials, the world has a very negative connotation.

Here is some information about it, here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressr ... xed6.shtml

I think a Chinese person can have blonde hair and blue eyes. A Chinese person can be Caucasian yes. But when I ask 'who is mixed race on here', and someone says 'my mom is chinese', then I am assuming the mom is Asian, and his the matching physical features. And I bet in 90 percent of the cases this is correct.

I'm trying to remain factual, not to bring political correctness into it, that's a whole other story.

I don't know what you mean by:

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In the UK, to multiracials, the world has a very negative connotation.

Why would the world have a negative connotation, anyone at all could say that, I don't see the connection?

I think we're talking at crossed purposes here, it appears that you made a typo?

As to political correctness, I'm sure you realise that this means not saying things considered offensive (among other things). I think that much is pretty obvious.

Anyway, you clearly have a lot of emotion invested in this, which I don't as I'm dealing with facts (whereas you appear to be dealing with perceptions and feelings), so it's unlikely we will have a meeting of minds, and I cannot contribute further to this thread than what I have said.

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19 Mar 2013, 9:18 pm

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Don't they normally have an option "Mixed-Other"?

Nope. That "prefer not to answer" option is the one I come across the most often on the forms I fill out.

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19 Mar 2013, 9:34 pm

im half white, half native aboriginal (Mi'kmaq) canadian

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19 Mar 2013, 10:59 pm

I am mixed race as well!

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19 Mar 2013, 11:11 pm

Cafeaulait wrote:

Half-caste is also quite an offensive term to many people, so I would never use that. And besides, there are people that are a quarter Asian (indonesian for example), a quarter white and a half black. I'm curious about them too and they don't fall into the category of 'half-caste' (hate that word).

I don't like the term 'half-cast either. Another word that I have a bit of a problem with is mulatto.
In The Netherlands, where I am from, they call a mixed race person like me a "halfbloed". The literal translation of that term in English is "a halfblood." Like mixed race people only have half the amount of blood compared to others or something.
Totally bizarre!

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19 Mar 2013, 11:14 pm

whirlingmind wrote:

I'm trying to remain factual, not to bring political correctness into it, that's a whole other story.

You cannot simply quote terms and relate them to the issue.

Race is the definition of a contextual concept. Race has about 15 different meanings, and racism, is a word that has 15 to go along with each definition. You cannot quote these terms and not link em to their counterparts. A mismatch creates nonsensical statements.

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20 Mar 2013, 1:26 am

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I am mixed race as well!

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

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20 Mar 2013, 1:53 am

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20 Mar 2013, 1:07 pm

Norwegian and French for the most part.

I go with the Norwegian 99% of the time even the the French is certainly more than a drop.

Lucky for me the melanin levels in the skin are pretty even so I can get away with it.
The mix in my children is more towards tan (Gwitchin' from interior Alaska) and others won't accept Norwegian even though it is still dominate.

If it isn't visible it does not exist seems to be a consensus, maybe that is why autism sometimes meets such resistance, it is not a visible trait.

People are strange, even aspies.

And a correction, the gentics have been traced from the time humans left Africa. Two different avenues were taken by DNA to lighten the skin so folic acid could be absorbed for egg production in the ovaries in northern climates.
That is why Asians and Native americans have a different white than Europeans.
Not to mention the 4% Neanderthal DNA picked up in eastern Africa on the way out.

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