What do you most detest in people?

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04 Oct 2016, 1:11 am

IMHO there is a happy medium land of [the right amount and kind of] cursing, and on either side resides an abyss of awfulness. not too many in the happy land.



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04 Oct 2016, 1:22 am

What do I most detest in people? Interesting question... probably dishonesty, lack of critical thinking, that's just off the top of my head... mean-spiritedness, hard heartedness, general stupidity and hypocrisy... when people react without thinking, using the reptilian part of the brain, some people that's all they seem to do, and never use their frontal cortex.



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04 Oct 2016, 6:29 am

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IMHO there is a happy medium land of [the right amount and kind of] cursing, and on either side resides an abyss of awfulness. not too many in the happy land.

Yes there is certainly a sweet spot else it loses impact... plus ya gotta showbsome creativity with it... :lol:



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04 Oct 2016, 6:51 am

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IMHO there is a happy medium land of [the right amount and kind of] cursing, and on either side resides an abyss of awfulness. not too many in the happy land.

Yes there is certainly a sweet spot else it loses impact... plus ya gotta showbsome creativity with it... :lol:

yeh, the exigencies that cause the spontaneous emission of expletives tend to not give me enough time to think of anything but the same old S and F swears.



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04 Oct 2016, 7:02 am

I don't swear very often. It usually happens if I shut my finger in a car door or something. People who swear constantly get on my nerves.


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04 Oct 2016, 7:09 am

I don't like cursing for cursing's sake.

I feel like some other word, almost always, could be substituted for the curse.

It's like the difference between lilacs and garbage.



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04 Oct 2016, 7:19 am

I've often wondered if people swear often because their vocabulary is pretty limited.


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04 Oct 2016, 7:23 am

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04 Oct 2016, 7:40 am

LOL... I don't care what studies say, I just don't like a barrage of cursing in my atmosphere.



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04 Oct 2016, 7:48 am

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That's what those people say, but you like to know what I say? "A fool thinks oneself to be wise, but a wise person knows oneself to be a fool".

Plus, there are other ways to have high IQs and keeping your own soul clean than just swearing!



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04 Oct 2016, 12:00 pm

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Yes--many think of that as "winning" the social game, because they think they are some of the only individuals who "see through the lies" to the truth of the social game, and that they dominate those around them because of this "secret vision of the truth" that they possess. They think they are strong because they avoid the weakness of interdependence, they think it makes them superior to the rest of us, and that we are all vulnerable to them because we can't see through the shared delusions; in their view, this makes us ripe for manipulation and exploitation. They see us as puppets and themselves as puppet-masters, pulling strings behind the scenes--they see themselves as the ones with all the power, and they like it that way.

Well, if you want to know what antisocial spectrum people actually think, may I politely suggest just asking the antisocial person in the room? I'd very much appreciate it if you'd remember that we're people with feelings too, not just objects to be talked past like we're not even there. I'm a human being, not a cardboard antisocial stereotype out of a popular TV series. I'm not a laboratory animal. And please remember that if you've met one antisocial person, you've met one antisocial person. We're not all the same person—we're different people with unique individual personalities. We're also hated by society and forced to hide ourselves for being something we didn't choose. Just like many of you.

I'm a sociopath. I'm also a university-educated bisexual woman, a high-functioning autistic, a child abuse and sexual assault survivor, and a moderately successful businesswoman in my early thirties. Being sociopathic is one part of my identity and doesn't define who I am.

Some of the things you've read about us are true, some of them are overgeneralisations, and some of them are false and unfair. I would very much like to have a civilised conversation to move beyond stereotypes and clear up which is which.



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04 Oct 2016, 12:17 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
I've often wondered if people swear often because their vocabulary is pretty limited.

Completely untrue. Ive always had a very large vocabulary, most of which, admittedly, is atrophied, but Ive always cursed alot... And fairly offensively at that... its just who I am... it doesnt define me, but its part of my persona. Ive tried, when i was christian to stop, and actually did for almost a year with few slip ups, but my speech gelt less impactful and it took way too much personal suppression... Its not worth the effort... if someone wants to think negatively of me because of it, theres a good chance I wouldnt have liked them anyway... to me it's pretentious to think you're above cursing so much that its not only a personal preference but a means by which you measure others. I guess to simply not like it is one thing, provided it doesnt lead you to assuming people who do are unintelligent, inarticulate, or lack depth of thought. Some people just like vulgarity. Some people love toilet humor. This stuff is funny. Maybe not to all of you but to some perfectly intelligent people.



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04 Oct 2016, 1:31 pm

Thanx beakybird :)

Swearing is also great because it makes stuffy/churchy/middle class types look down on you -- and these are the kinda people likely to feel entitled to act like public moral guardians and initiate social trouble against you. I mean if you text like a socioeconomic trainwreck whose first language was probably Tramp nobody's going to take you seriously. Which means they don't serious business throw you out of a forum before you can get your research completed.

Also a lot of insecure low status men find competent women existentially threatening and will not f*****g leave you alone unless you let them feel better than you. And cursing every other word means you can be a loud stroppy b***h and still not look like a status challenge. Men completely have no idea how much women hide power and abrasiveness to keep life from becoming impossible. I find it hilarious the way women in restrooms drop the act and start cursing a blue steak as soon as men aren't around to hear. :lol:

IRL I'm totally fine with swearing whenev but actually my default manners are overpolite bookish perpetual grad student like a lot of aspies. I'm actually a published writer with a humanities degree and totally capable not only of bourgie language s**t but even writing with actual sentence structure

I admit letting out my inner delinquent has been absolutely freaking hilarious though.


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04 Oct 2016, 2:24 pm

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You are shunned by society because you are by nature dangerous... blah blah blah sermon sermon... This is why people shun you--it's protective, and sensible.

Yes -- you know I have actually worked that out. It's almost as if I'm a reasonably intelligent adult human being who funny enough understands her own life better than you do.

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I have no "antisocial" skeletons in my closet. I am way too much of an internaliser, a ruminant, anxious and self-reflective to be a sociopath or exhibit antisocial behaviours.... (I'm assuming you are including me in your "attackers" because I expressed that IRL I tend to limit my exposure to people with antisocial traits.)

Okay well then if you don't you don't. What I really meant by antisocial skeletons is aspies with low affect issues feeling me as a stereotype threat but okay sure. I admit I'm getting kinda bored and I didn't backread your post history much but I'll take your word for it.

Look I don't expect you to like me or approve of me or "condone" me (whatever than word means). f**k if you want to genocide all socio/psychopaths off the face of the earth (there's around 70,000,000 of us) I can respect that and I see your point from your angle. But you don't need to talk over me and humansplain what antisocial people are like when you are actually wrong about a number of important issues.

How about this: a socio virtue everyone would be wise to pick up would be taking down emotional judgment and understanding where a person's coming from and then figuring out what you want to do with your information. It's called intelligence or reconnaisance with military types and keeping an unrealistic picture of your enemy cause you hate them is just bad policy. For instance you think we all (1) think we're godlike superior to you and (2) secretly envy you and have to pretend love doesn't exist cause we can't bear you having something we haven't. Well guess what antisocial spectrum people are individual people and neither is true for all of us but both believing both of these things doesn't make much sense. Your picture of us is half-fact/half-fiction and preferring to sneer down rather than get the facts straight totally is a kind of bigotry. Also not in your interest.


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04 Oct 2016, 3:26 pm

OdysseusNemo wrote:
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You are shunned by society because you are by nature dangerous... blah blah blah sermon sermon... This is why people shun you--it's protective, and sensible.

Yes -- you know I have actually worked that out. It's almost as if I'm a reasonably intelligent adult human being who funny enough understands her own life better than you do.

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I have no "antisocial" skeletons in my closet. I am way too much of an internaliser, a ruminant, anxious and self-reflective to be a sociopath or exhibit antisocial behaviours.... (I'm assuming you are including me in your "attackers" because I expressed that IRL I tend to limit my exposure to people with antisocial traits.)

Okay well then if you don't you don't. What I really meant by antisocial skeletons is aspies with low affect issues feeling me as a stereotype threat but okay sure. I admit I'm getting kinda bored and I didn't backread your post history much but I'll take your word for it.

Look I don't expect you to like me or approve of me or "condone" me (whatever than word means). f**k if you want to genocide all socio/psychopaths off the face of the earth (there's around 70,000,000 of us) I can respect that and I see your point from your angle. But you don't need to talk over me and humansplain what antisocial people are like when you are actually wrong about a number of important issues.

How about this: a socio virtue everyone would be wise to pick up would be taking down emotional judgment and understanding where a person's coming from and then figuring out what you want to do with your information. It's called intelligence or reconnaisance with military types and keeping an unrealistic picture of your enemy cause you hate them is just bad policy. For instance you think we all (1) think we're godlike superior to you and (2) secretly envy you and have to pretend love doesn't exist cause we can't bear you having something we haven't. Well guess what antisocial spectrum people are individual people and neither is true for all of us but both believing both of these things doesn't make much sense. Your picture of us is half-fact/half-fiction and preferring to sneer down rather than get the facts straight totally is a kind of bigotry. Also not in your interest.


I'm not low affect either--of my other diagnoses, the very first was bipolar disorder. I am actually quite emotionally expressive and very in touch with my feelings, which are often intense. Speaking of stereotypes... :lol:

Also, I never said anything about a genocide against sociopaths, I suggested getting help for them earlier because there is evidence that they can be taught enough cognitive empathy and have their self-interest turned to motivation to not harm others because getting along rather than using and manipulating others gets us farther. And I never said all sociopaths are like this or like that. I said many, and some. You are attributing much to me that I never said because you're angry.

I've done a lot of reading/researching about sociopaths, and between that and my personal experience with them I've chosen to keep them out of my life. I'm sorry that's so hard for you to understand, but I'm not going to change that for you or anyone else. That's me embracing my own self-interest shamelessly. I do a pretty good job of keeping myself safe, and I'm not going to sacrifice that for your feelings of rejection or judgement. I'm sorry you're a sociopath and I understand you didn't choose that any more than I chose to be autistic--but I'm not going to invite you into my life in any significant way because I don't trust your behaviour because of that aforementioned research and personal experience with sociopaths. It's that simple.


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