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19 Aug 2007, 2:21 pm
19 Aug 2007, 2:35 pm
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God says to love your fellow man regardless of whatever & you are doing.
Unless your gay, or anything else he hates
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19 Aug 2007, 3:50 pm
19 Aug 2007, 3:55 pm
I wasnt arguing with you. 
I just saw it and it kinda set me off, sorry for any mixups.
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19 Aug 2007, 4:05 pm
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I wasnt arguing with you. I just saw it and it kinda set me off, sorry for any mixups.
I just saw it and it kinda set me off, sorry for any mixups.No offense was taken, my friend; I was just elaborating on my own behalf. In fact, your protestations are not without merit, and you have every right to be set off.
Good fortune,
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19 Aug 2007, 9:18 pm
username88 wrote:
AnonymousAnonymous wrote:
God says to love your fellow man regardless of whatever & you are doing.
Unless your gay, or anything else he hates
Who cares?!
19 Aug 2007, 9:20 pm
19 Aug 2007, 10:13 pm
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I think you missed my point
I got it. You made me chuckle.
19 Aug 2007, 10:30 pm
Icarus_Falling wrote:
The Christian God and I have a very simple deal... He leaves me alone, and I leave Him alone.
I used to experience quite a bit of trouble from some of His more obnoxious and judgmental followers. I finally got fed up, so one day I told Him that, as much as His followers and the books they write like to say so, He does not get to judge me for anything I've done in my life after I die; I reminded Him that He's bestowed free will upon His followers, and as such it's not really a fair deal to then "judge" them for exercising that free will. After a long discussion on this topic, He actually admitted that this was probably true, and that many of the tenets of Christianity are actually the result of His followers excising their free will. He provided Mormonism as an obvious example of this. He also said that this is why a) Christianity comes on so many different varieties, b) Christian doctrine is inordinately complex, and c) Christian doctrine contradicts itself in a variety of places. And, He also told me that for some reason, His followers have a need to be judged, and that is why He does so. After this discussion, we came to a mutual understanding, and have since had neutral feelings about each other. Generally speaking, I tend to get along fine with most Christians nowadays. Catholics, Mormons, and Lutherans seem to be the most tolerable to me.
As for the Christian God's followers, they too come in a very wide variety. I've found many of them to be good people, content to practice their faith to their best interpretation of it, and let others alone. There are a few though, that go slightly insane, and feel it is their job to "inflict" Christianity upon others. The Christian God himself apologized to me for the behavior of these people (and as an act of divine irony, I forgave Him), but then He got to remind me that this too is a result of free will. I admit, He got me there. He also reminded me not to judge all of His followers over the behavior of a small few.
The Christian God advised me how best to deal with His more confused and obnoxious followers. Whenever one of them starts getting on my nerves, I've simply to remind them, "What I do in this life is between me, and your God. He said so, and He asked me to remind you of that. So... BUTT OUT." I've whipped out with this a few times in my day. Surprisingly, it usually works; when not, a good right-hook does, followed up by a quick reminder to "turn the other cheek" for the follow up left-hook.
To me, the perfect example of a Christian is Ned Flanders from the Simpsons. I'm serious.
Good fortune,
- Icarus and God
I used to experience quite a bit of trouble from some of His more obnoxious and judgmental followers. I finally got fed up, so one day I told Him that, as much as His followers and the books they write like to say so, He does not get to judge me for anything I've done in my life after I die; I reminded Him that He's bestowed free will upon His followers, and as such it's not really a fair deal to then "judge" them for exercising that free will. After a long discussion on this topic, He actually admitted that this was probably true, and that many of the tenets of Christianity are actually the result of His followers excising their free will. He provided Mormonism as an obvious example of this. He also said that this is why a) Christianity comes on so many different varieties, b) Christian doctrine is inordinately complex, and c) Christian doctrine contradicts itself in a variety of places. And, He also told me that for some reason, His followers have a need to be judged, and that is why He does so. After this discussion, we came to a mutual understanding, and have since had neutral feelings about each other. Generally speaking, I tend to get along fine with most Christians nowadays. Catholics, Mormons, and Lutherans seem to be the most tolerable to me.
As for the Christian God's followers, they too come in a very wide variety. I've found many of them to be good people, content to practice their faith to their best interpretation of it, and let others alone. There are a few though, that go slightly insane, and feel it is their job to "inflict" Christianity upon others. The Christian God himself apologized to me for the behavior of these people (and as an act of divine irony, I forgave Him), but then He got to remind me that this too is a result of free will. I admit, He got me there. He also reminded me not to judge all of His followers over the behavior of a small few.
The Christian God advised me how best to deal with His more confused and obnoxious followers. Whenever one of them starts getting on my nerves, I've simply to remind them, "What I do in this life is between me, and your God. He said so, and He asked me to remind you of that. So... BUTT OUT." I've whipped out with this a few times in my day. Surprisingly, it usually works; when not, a good right-hook does, followed up by a quick reminder to "turn the other cheek" for the follow up left-hook.
To me, the perfect example of a Christian is Ned Flanders from the Simpsons. I'm serious.
Good fortune,
- Icarus and God
Wow, you actually talked to this fictitious deity? I wish I could get its followers to bugger off and leave me and my brethren alone to love our lives our way. The world would be a much better place. I like to quote one of the great prophets of our time:
"Keep they religion to thyself!" -George Carlin
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20 Aug 2007, 1:24 pm
Trigger11 wrote:
Icarus_Falling wrote:
The Christian God and I have a very simple deal... He leaves me alone, and I leave Him alone.
I used to experience quite a bit of trouble from some of His more obnoxious and judgmental followers. I finally got fed up, so one day I told Him that, as much as His followers and the books they write like to say so, He does not get to judge me for anything I've done in my life after I die; I reminded Him that He's bestowed free will upon His followers, and as such it's not really a fair deal to then "judge" them for exercising that free will. After a long discussion on this topic, He actually admitted that this was probably true, and that many of the tenets of Christianity are actually the result of His followers excising their free will. He provided Mormonism as an obvious example of this. He also said that this is why a) Christianity comes on so many different varieties, b) Christian doctrine is inordinately complex, and c) Christian doctrine contradicts itself in a variety of places. And, He also told me that for some reason, His followers have a need to be judged, and that is why He does so. After this discussion, we came to a mutual understanding, and have since had neutral feelings about each other. Generally speaking, I tend to get along fine with most Christians nowadays. Catholics, Mormons, and Lutherans seem to be the most tolerable to me.
As for the Christian God's followers, they too come in a very wide variety. I've found many of them to be good people, content to practice their faith to their best interpretation of it, and let others alone. There are a few though, that go slightly insane, and feel it is their job to "inflict" Christianity upon others. The Christian God himself apologized to me for the behavior of these people (and as an act of divine irony, I forgave Him), but then He got to remind me that this too is a result of free will. I admit, He got me there. He also reminded me not to judge all of His followers over the behavior of a small few.
The Christian God advised me how best to deal with His more confused and obnoxious followers. Whenever one of them starts getting on my nerves, I've simply to remind them, "What I do in this life is between me, and your God. He said so, and He asked me to remind you of that. So... BUTT OUT." I've whipped out with this a few times in my day. Surprisingly, it usually works; when not, a good right-hook does, followed up by a quick reminder to "turn the other cheek" for the follow up left-hook.
To me, the perfect example of a Christian is Ned Flanders from the Simpsons. I'm serious.
Good fortune,
- Icarus and God
I used to experience quite a bit of trouble from some of His more obnoxious and judgmental followers. I finally got fed up, so one day I told Him that, as much as His followers and the books they write like to say so, He does not get to judge me for anything I've done in my life after I die; I reminded Him that He's bestowed free will upon His followers, and as such it's not really a fair deal to then "judge" them for exercising that free will. After a long discussion on this topic, He actually admitted that this was probably true, and that many of the tenets of Christianity are actually the result of His followers excising their free will. He provided Mormonism as an obvious example of this. He also said that this is why a) Christianity comes on so many different varieties, b) Christian doctrine is inordinately complex, and c) Christian doctrine contradicts itself in a variety of places. And, He also told me that for some reason, His followers have a need to be judged, and that is why He does so. After this discussion, we came to a mutual understanding, and have since had neutral feelings about each other. Generally speaking, I tend to get along fine with most Christians nowadays. Catholics, Mormons, and Lutherans seem to be the most tolerable to me.
As for the Christian God's followers, they too come in a very wide variety. I've found many of them to be good people, content to practice their faith to their best interpretation of it, and let others alone. There are a few though, that go slightly insane, and feel it is their job to "inflict" Christianity upon others. The Christian God himself apologized to me for the behavior of these people (and as an act of divine irony, I forgave Him), but then He got to remind me that this too is a result of free will. I admit, He got me there. He also reminded me not to judge all of His followers over the behavior of a small few.
The Christian God advised me how best to deal with His more confused and obnoxious followers. Whenever one of them starts getting on my nerves, I've simply to remind them, "What I do in this life is between me, and your God. He said so, and He asked me to remind you of that. So... BUTT OUT." I've whipped out with this a few times in my day. Surprisingly, it usually works; when not, a good right-hook does, followed up by a quick reminder to "turn the other cheek" for the follow up left-hook.
To me, the perfect example of a Christian is Ned Flanders from the Simpsons. I'm serious.
Good fortune,
- Icarus and God
Wow, you actually talked to this fictitious deity? I wish I could get its followers to bugger off and leave me and my brethren alone to love our lives our way. The world would be a much better place. I like to quote one of the great prophets of our time:
"Keep they religion to thyself!" -George Carlin
You know, part of the problem is that it's mutual. Yeah, there's the ultra-orthodox-convert-to-Christianity-now kind, but there's also the God-really-sucks-let-me-talk-about-how-stupid-He-is kind. The former is over-advertised - heck, a good amount of people seem to honestly think that a criteria of being Christian is to go around and preach. In turn, the latter is turned into a sort of a hero in a lot of cases - oh, they just want to live their lives in peace, look at all those nasty follwers. I'd like to live my life in peace too; if you don't want to hear about God, that's fine. I don't really want to hear about how fake you think God is. It's a personal choice.
(That's not aimed at either of you in particular - or anyone, actually - it's just a reflection. I quoted these posts as it was the closest pertaining thing on this thread.)
20 Aug 2007, 2:06 pm
RainSong wrote:
Trigger11 wrote:
Icarus_Falling wrote:
The Christian God and I have a very simple deal... He leaves me alone, and I leave Him alone.
I used to experience quite a bit of trouble from some of His more obnoxious and judgmental followers. I finally got fed up, so one day I told Him that, as much as His followers and the books they write like to say so, He does not get to judge me for anything I've done in my life after I die; I reminded Him that He's bestowed free will upon His followers, and as such it's not really a fair deal to then "judge" them for exercising that free will. After a long discussion on this topic, He actually admitted that this was probably true, and that many of the tenets of Christianity are actually the result of His followers excising their free will. He provided Mormonism as an obvious example of this. He also said that this is why a) Christianity comes on so many different varieties, b) Christian doctrine is inordinately complex, and c) Christian doctrine contradicts itself in a variety of places. And, He also told me that for some reason, His followers have a need to be judged, and that is why He does so. After this discussion, we came to a mutual understanding, and have since had neutral feelings about each other. Generally speaking, I tend to get along fine with most Christians nowadays. Catholics, Mormons, and Lutherans seem to be the most tolerable to me.
As for the Christian God's followers, they too come in a very wide variety. I've found many of them to be good people, content to practice their faith to their best interpretation of it, and let others alone. There are a few though, that go slightly insane, and feel it is their job to "inflict" Christianity upon others. The Christian God himself apologized to me for the behavior of these people (and as an act of divine irony, I forgave Him), but then He got to remind me that this too is a result of free will. I admit, He got me there. He also reminded me not to judge all of His followers over the behavior of a small few.
The Christian God advised me how best to deal with His more confused and obnoxious followers. Whenever one of them starts getting on my nerves, I've simply to remind them, "What I do in this life is between me, and your God. He said so, and He asked me to remind you of that. So... BUTT OUT." I've whipped out with this a few times in my day. Surprisingly, it usually works; when not, a good right-hook does, followed up by a quick reminder to "turn the other cheek" for the follow up left-hook.
To me, the perfect example of a Christian is Ned Flanders from the Simpsons. I'm serious.
Good fortune,
- Icarus and God
I used to experience quite a bit of trouble from some of His more obnoxious and judgmental followers. I finally got fed up, so one day I told Him that, as much as His followers and the books they write like to say so, He does not get to judge me for anything I've done in my life after I die; I reminded Him that He's bestowed free will upon His followers, and as such it's not really a fair deal to then "judge" them for exercising that free will. After a long discussion on this topic, He actually admitted that this was probably true, and that many of the tenets of Christianity are actually the result of His followers excising their free will. He provided Mormonism as an obvious example of this. He also said that this is why a) Christianity comes on so many different varieties, b) Christian doctrine is inordinately complex, and c) Christian doctrine contradicts itself in a variety of places. And, He also told me that for some reason, His followers have a need to be judged, and that is why He does so. After this discussion, we came to a mutual understanding, and have since had neutral feelings about each other. Generally speaking, I tend to get along fine with most Christians nowadays. Catholics, Mormons, and Lutherans seem to be the most tolerable to me.
As for the Christian God's followers, they too come in a very wide variety. I've found many of them to be good people, content to practice their faith to their best interpretation of it, and let others alone. There are a few though, that go slightly insane, and feel it is their job to "inflict" Christianity upon others. The Christian God himself apologized to me for the behavior of these people (and as an act of divine irony, I forgave Him), but then He got to remind me that this too is a result of free will. I admit, He got me there. He also reminded me not to judge all of His followers over the behavior of a small few.
The Christian God advised me how best to deal with His more confused and obnoxious followers. Whenever one of them starts getting on my nerves, I've simply to remind them, "What I do in this life is between me, and your God. He said so, and He asked me to remind you of that. So... BUTT OUT." I've whipped out with this a few times in my day. Surprisingly, it usually works; when not, a good right-hook does, followed up by a quick reminder to "turn the other cheek" for the follow up left-hook.
To me, the perfect example of a Christian is Ned Flanders from the Simpsons. I'm serious.
Good fortune,
- Icarus and God
Wow, you actually talked to this fictitious deity? I wish I could get its followers to bugger off and leave me and my brethren alone to love our lives our way. The world would be a much better place. I like to quote one of the great prophets of our time:
"Keep they religion to thyself!" -George Carlin
You know, part of the problem is that it's mutual. Yeah, there's the ultra-orthodox-convert-to-Christianity-now kind, but there's also the God-really-sucks-let-me-talk-about-how-stupid-He-is kind. The former is over-advertised - heck, a good amount of people seem to honestly think that a criteria of being Christian is to go around and preach. In turn, the latter is turned into a sort of a hero in a lot of cases - oh, they just want to live their lives in peace, look at all those nasty followers. I'd like to live my life in peace too; if you don't want to hear about God, that's fine. I don't really want to hear about how fake you think God is. It's a personal choice.
(That's not aimed at either of you in particular - or anyone, actually - it's just a reflection. I quoted these posts as it was the closest pertaining thing on this thread.)
<insert sarcastic voice> I was soooo offended!
In a way, you have pointed out one of the great conundrums of our time. The "over-hyped" religious folks, which are likely a minority within their own group, cannot go by without forcing their beliefs onto anyone they find who does not agree with them. It is a part of their religion...convert the non-believers. This is true for multiple beliefs too, not just one group. I have spent a great deal of my life being persecuted by such persons and took it in stride until they crossed the line and started forcing laws filled with bigotry and hatred into the legislature. Until then, I was fine to live my life my way and tell anyone else to just do the same, but keep their rules out of my life, as they have no right to tell me how to live. Now, I am an activist trying to remove such bigotry and hatred from our laws. Nobody told any religious institution to change its ways with regards to certain equal rights, but it is far different when you cross over that line into government. I would never tell anyone they had to believe what I believe. I even raise my kids neutral, so they can inquire and explore what they need for their lives when they are old enough to understand their existence as it fits into life, the universe, and everything.
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