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21 Sep 2008, 3:32 pm

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Don't ban him, isn't that taking it a bit far? People get upset, they've apologised, and I've seen more than a few people calling ShawnWilliam names as well... surely things can move on?

I agree, this thing is over now and the problem was already solved, wasn't it? It's too late to take an action like this now.

Actually, I'm still waiting for SW to admit he is wrong and apologize to me ... but I'm not exactly holding my breath until he does.


and I didn't notice any apology to WP, either, for flagrantly flouting the rules.

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21 Sep 2008, 4:55 pm

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... but I'm not exactly holding my breath until he does.


At least try to..?


---> :oops:



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21 Sep 2008, 7:56 pm

ShawnWilliam wrote:
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... but I'm not exactly holding my breath until he does.

At least try to..?

---> :oops:

:lol: :lmao:

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21 Sep 2008, 8:19 pm

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Actually, I'm still waiting for SW to admit he is wrong and apologize to me

Why would you care?
Wrong about what? about his beliefs? you want him to change his belief system to fit what you consider to be correct from your own perspective? I am not defending his beliefs, but, if you expect that from anyone, really anyone here, seem unrealistic.

And to apologize, well, are you absolutely sure that he is the only one to blame? I mean, doesn't it take at least two to come up with prolonging arguments?

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but I'm not exactly holding my breath until he does.

Kinda seems like fighting fire with fire. I don't see the point of this really, and from a mod perspective, should not this merit to make a word against this? I mean, as a parent you must realise that children behaving like this, provoking each other is pointless and annoying for an adult to see, provoking and teasing someone, does not seem to do good and lead to somewhere, much less to be considered a mature way to handle this.

Nothing against you though, don't get the wrong idea, I respect you, but usually it is hard for people to recognize themselves to have some responsability about an issue.


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21 Sep 2008, 8:23 pm

Exactly why I find the whole thing a bit hypocritical. I can think of least three others guilty of the same thing, but I'm not going to name names.


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21 Sep 2008, 8:42 pm

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Actually, I'm still waiting for SW to admit he is wrong and apologize to me

Why would you care?

For including me in an unprovoked insult based on a sexual act.

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Wrong about what? about his beliefs? you want him to change his belief system to fit what you consider to be correct from your own perspective? I am not defending his beliefs, but, if you expect that from anyone, really anyone here, seem unrealistic.

He can keep his beliefs - to his detriment, I'm sure - but he has failed to examine his beliefs beyond his ability to use them to provoke others into giving him attention.

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And to apologize, well, are you absolutely sure that he is the only one to blame? I mean, doesn't it take at least two to come up with prolonging arguments?

Never blame the victim for an unprovoked attack.

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but I'm not exactly holding my breath until he does.

Kinda seems like fighting fire with fire. I don't see the point of this really, and from a mod perspective, should not this merit to make a word against this? I mean, as a parent you must realise that children behaving like this, provoking each other is pointless and annoying for an adult to see, provoking and teasing someone, does not seem to do good and lead to somewhere, much less to be considered a mature way to handle this.

I await only an admission of wrong-doing on his part, along with a sincerely-written, straightforward apology. I also know that he is unlikely to provide either one. Nothing more and nothing less.

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Nothing against you though, don't get the wrong idea, I respect you, but usually it is hard for people to recognize themselves to have some responsability about an issue.

Again, the insult was unprovoked. I posted a reply to the OP in this thread, Claire complimented me for it, and SJW jumped in with an insult. Plain and simple.

I appreciate the fact that you respect me. I also appreciate the fact that most members do not recognize the responsibilities of a moderator, which include applying the same rules in the same way to everyone all of the time, or they apply in no way to any one ever.


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21 Sep 2008, 9:05 pm

Fnord wrote:
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... but I'm not exactly holding my breath until he does.

At least try to..?

---> :oops:

:lol: :lmao:

When you compose an original piece AND sign on with an established corporate label.


*shudders at the thought of a corporate label*... seriously, if you are all about corporate labels, then I think that's all I need to know about you.



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21 Sep 2008, 9:30 pm

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For including me in an unprovoked insult based on a sexual act.

Right, and well, you think he should? what if you deny to be partly to blame? then he would not apologyze, because he probably would feel to be unjust, because he may believe you are the bad guy here, while you believe he is the bad guy, and really expecting that, is unrealistic.

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He can keep his beliefs - to his detriment, I'm sure - but he has failed to examine his beliefs beyond his ability to use them to provoke others into giving him attention.

I realise that he doesn't do a good job at, promoting his beliefs, hence the provoking and teasing from an opposite view who THINK they are in their right to do so, which I find funny to see this on this forum, especially on PPR, currently.

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Never blame the victim for an unprovoked attack.

Who is exactly the victim?

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I await only an admission of wrong-doing on his part, along with a sincerely-written, straightforward apology. I also know that he is unlikely to provide either one. Nothing more and nothing less.

Again, unrealistic.

It seems that you think you are a victim in this situation, to be honest, this seems to be, in my opinion, a matter of perspective and point of view, from your point of view, he is the one who did bad without no reason, apparently, and from his point of view, you are the one who is being bad. It seems that each of you just see your own self-perception of the opposite as being wrong, without considering the other person's perception and feelings about the situation, and wondering and considering the possiblity of their own fault, which I find funny about people (in a misantrophic way sometimes) so nothing new about this.

Of course, another thing that seems to have a lot to do with it, is pride, which is something that I find funny with people, really, people can recognize their mistakes and because of a silly little thing called pride they would not apologize, heck, one of the things that make people to not recognize their doings.

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Again, the insult was unprovoked. I posted a reply to the OP in this thread, Claire complimented me for it, and SJW jumped in with an insult. Plain and simple.

well, it seems he apologized to Claire already, and it seems everything is ok with them now, and honestly I can say, from my perspective, that the way she handled the situation made things easier for both of them.

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I appreciate the fact that you respect me. I also appreciate the fact that most members do not recognize the responsibilities of a moderator.

What I actually meant was that people often do not recognize that they can also be partly to blame in similar situations.


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21 Sep 2008, 11:18 pm

One of the games people play

"Let's you and him fight"

of course, neither you nor him win, as usually the fought over goes off with a third party unscathed.


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21 Sep 2008, 11:20 pm

OMG lyk teh Beast hast infected y'allzez 8O

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21 Sep 2008, 11:32 pm

The number of The Beast is 55.

Satan and 666 has nothing on the [old and obsolete] T-55 and its 100mm cannon.



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22 Sep 2008, 6:36 pm

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well, it seems he apologized to Claire already, and it seems everything is ok with them now, and honestly I can say, from my perspective, that the way she handled the situation made things easier for both of them.
Honestly, it was easier for me to let it go because he was willing to apologize. Because frankly, I find phrases like "need to take out vengence on you" to be quite frightning, especially since I did nothing. If this were a real life situation, I would probably be hiding in my house. Sometimes it is better to just let things go than push people with those types of needs.