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12 Apr 2011, 8:28 pm

Who_Am_I wrote:
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Astrology = fake

Correct! If you like astrology just for fun and don't take it seriously then fine. But if you do take it seriously, you are just plain wrong. It has 0 plausibility and 0 evidence. Sorry.


Apparently thinking that makes us bigots/ignorant AstroGeek. :lol:


You know I pasted the definitions of those words and then explained why I was using them. It was sort of more complicated than you are making out...


True Sceptics (TM) don't need no dictionaries! :P


Well, I certainly respect his dedication to questioning all knowledge, then. Perhaps these words DON'T have meaning afterall... 8O



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12 Apr 2011, 8:31 pm

Who_Am_I wrote:
Apx wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
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Astrology = fake

Correct! If you like astrology just for fun and don't take it seriously then fine. But if you do take it seriously, you are just plain wrong. It has 0 plausibility and 0 evidence. Sorry.


Apparently thinking that makes us bigots/ignorant AstroGeek. :lol:


You know I pasted the definitions of those words and then explained why I was using them. It was sort of more complicated than you are making out...


True Sceptics (TM) don't need no dictionaries! :P

I am skeptical of your dictionary :wink:
*Edit: I also really like your userpic


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12 Apr 2011, 8:34 pm

Vigilans wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
Apx wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
AstroGeek wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Astrology = fake

Correct! If you like astrology just for fun and don't take it seriously then fine. But if you do take it seriously, you are just plain wrong. It has 0 plausibility and 0 evidence. Sorry.


Apparently thinking that makes us bigots/ignorant AstroGeek. :lol:


You know I pasted the definitions of those words and then explained why I was using them. It was sort of more complicated than you are making out...


True Sceptics (TM) don't need no dictionaries! :P

I am skeptical of your dictionary :wink:


Hey; I didn't write the dictionary. :P


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12 Apr 2011, 8:36 pm

Who_Am_I wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
Apx wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
AstroGeek wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Astrology = fake

Correct! If you like astrology just for fun and don't take it seriously then fine. But if you do take it seriously, you are just plain wrong. It has 0 plausibility and 0 evidence. Sorry.


Apparently thinking that makes us bigots/ignorant AstroGeek. :lol:


You know I pasted the definitions of those words and then explained why I was using them. It was sort of more complicated than you are making out...


True Sceptics (TM) don't need no dictionaries! :P

I am skeptical of your dictionary :wink:


Hey; I didn't write the dictionary. :P


:lol: :lol: all the more reason to be skeptical!
(now I'm just being superfluous, no?)


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12 Apr 2011, 9:42 pm

Well, I got one astrology geek out of this so far. :D *pats pocket*



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13 Apr 2011, 8:36 am

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Yeah, I am both a hoot and terrifying I think... My Mars is in Cancer, also, which makes for a strange Mars energy for sure.


I also have Mars in Cancer, it gives me a wobbly energy.


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13 Apr 2011, 9:57 am

Astrology is nonsense.

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13 Apr 2011, 10:52 am

Well – it seems moving this topic to random didn't work as other PPR residents are coming over to offer their opinion without stating how they arrived at it. I think this thread belonged in PPR because Astrology would come under the general heading of occult philosophy, and it was great to see a new member and a moderator stand up to the disrespect that is so common over there.

Moving it was probably the right call though biased upon the reaction. There is no hope for PPR unless Alex decides he wants it to be a place for serious discussions rather than a playground for aspies who just like to argue.


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13 Apr 2011, 12:07 pm

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Well – it seems moving this topic to random didn't work as other PPR residents are coming over to offer their opinion without stating how they arrived at it. I think this thread belonged in PPR because Astrology would come under the general heading of occult philosophy, and it was great to see a new member and a moderator stand up to the disrespect that is so common over there.

Moving it was probably the right call though biased upon the reaction. There is no hope for PPR unless Alex decides he wants it to be a place for serious discussions rather than a playground for aspies who just like to argue.


lol NobelCynic- I'm sure you'd love it if you could be left alone to your silly magical thinking. Astrology =/= serious discussion. The only disrespect came from the person supporting astrology, who was quick to start pointing fingers and claiming bigotry and ignorance- typical ad hominem defense of pseudoscience, which is pretty well the only way one can actually defend astrology as there is no way to scientifically back up any of its claims.
But that all depends on your perspective, and whether or not you're willing to see the truth or look at it without personal bias :wink:
Also, how did you arrive at that opinion? :wink:

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13 Apr 2011, 12:12 pm

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Yeah, I am both a hoot and terrifying I think... My Mars is in Cancer, also, which makes for a strange Mars energy for sure.


I also have Mars in Cancer, it gives me a wobbly energy.


Mars is my favorite planet 8)


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13 Apr 2011, 12:36 pm

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Well – it seems moving this topic to random didn't work as other PPR residents are coming over to offer their opinion without stating how they arrived at it. I think this thread belonged in PPR because Astrology would come under the general heading of occult philosophy, and it was great to see a new member and a moderator stand up to the disrespect that is so common over there.


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Moving it was probably the right call though biased upon the reaction. There is no hope for PPR unless Alex decides he wants it to be a place for serious discussions rather than a playground for aspies who just like to argue.


Agree 100%

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lol NobelCynic- I'm sure you'd love it if you could be left alone to your silly magical thinking. Astrology =/= serious discussion. The only disrespect came from the person supporting astrology, who was quick to start pointing fingers and claiming bigotry and ignorance- typical ad hominem defense of pseudoscience, which is pretty well the only way one can actually defend astrology as there is no way to scientifically back up any of its claims.


I'm done talking with you in this thread, Vigilans. It's pointless.

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Astrology is nonsense.


How very out of character for you ruveyn, your opinion is such a surprise. :wink:


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13 Apr 2011, 12:39 pm

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I'm done talking with you in this thread, Vigilans, it's pointless.


Hm, I seem to feel the same way :wink: Got any proof for astrology yet?
Anyways, this is getting pointlessly heated, so

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13 Apr 2011, 1:56 pm

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Just wanted to stop by and lend some support. I have no astrology skills despite years of attempts. I could never wrap my mind around all those charts - too many numbers for me. But I do appreciate those who can crunch all that info.

Ignore the haters. I'm fascinated by the thread even if i'm unqualified to join the convo.


I'm one of those haters, but I'm willing to talk astrology, anyway.

I think it's junk but interesting junk.

There are no special astrology skills because it's junk. I find it interesting when I see people using it to analyse themselves and other people. I find it more interesting than normal psychological theories and forms of therapy. The way the human mind can employ symbolism and pattern-spotting to self-analyse is intrinsically fascinating. So I don't think you should feel unqualified to join the convo at all.


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Just wanted to stop by and lend some support. I have no astrology skills despite years of attempts. I could never wrap my mind around all those charts - too many numbers for me. But I do appreciate those who can crunch all that info.

Ignore the haters. I'm fascinated by the thread even if i'm unqualified to join the convo.


I'm one of those haters, but I'm willing to talk astrology, anyway.

I think it's junk but interesting junk.

There are no special astrology skills because it's junk. I find it interesting when I see people using it to analyse themselves and other people. I find it more interesting than normal psychological theories and forms of therapy. The way the human mind can employ symbolism and pattern-spotting to self-analyse is intrinsically fascinating. So I don't think you should feel unqualified to join the convo at all.


The most credit I'll give astrology is that at one point, it was really the best tool of understanding the cosmos available, and most of the early astronomers were astrologers by trade- but that was a long time ago, before the Enlightenment, and before the invention of the telescope, discovery of Newtonian physics, relativity, etc etc. It is pretty much a form of divination. I think overall it is pretty harmless, but I cringe inside when I hear people reference ones' 'sign' as an explanation for their behavior. It does actually lead to discrimination. But its big money to some people, and some people make a living off of it, so whatever floats their boat.
Its pretty much just as relevant as reading palms, tarot cards, tea leaf reading, tossing bones (whatever that is called); the difference being it seems a lot less crazy to people because it is often erroneously associated with astronomy


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13 Apr 2011, 3:12 pm

Vigilans wrote:
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Just wanted to stop by and lend some support. I have no astrology skills despite years of attempts. I could never wrap my mind around all those charts - too many numbers for me. But I do appreciate those who can crunch all that info.

Ignore the haters. I'm fascinated by the thread even if i'm unqualified to join the convo.


I'm one of those haters, but I'm willing to talk astrology, anyway.

I think it's junk but interesting junk.

There are no special astrology skills because it's junk. I find it interesting when I see people using it to analyse themselves and other people. I find it more interesting than normal psychological theories and forms of therapy. The way the human mind can employ symbolism and pattern-spotting to self-analyse is intrinsically fascinating. So I don't think you should feel unqualified to join the convo at all.


The most credit I'll give astrology is that at one point, it was really the best tool of understanding the cosmos available, and most of the early astronomers were astrologers by trade- but that was a long time ago, before the Enlightenment, and before the invention of the telescope, discovery of Newtonian physics, relativity, etc etc. It is pretty much a form of divination. I think overall it is pretty harmless, but I cringe inside when I hear people reference ones' 'sign' as an explanation for their behavior. It does actually lead to discrimination. But its big money to some people, and some people make a living off of it, so whatever floats their boat.
Its pretty much just as relevant as reading palms, tarot cards, tea leaf reading, tossing bones (whatever that is called); the difference being it seems a lot less crazy to people because it is often erroneously associated with astronomy


Tarot is actually more useful as a tool for reflection than for divination, and some people just like it for the symbolism.

Though I agree that there's an exploitative element there when money is involved. Someone very close to me use to work as a phone tarot reader, and he admits it's a con when it's done for money, but he likes the symbolism.

It's at least useful from the point of view I mentioned, unlike other pseudosciences, such as homeopathy, which do absolutely nothing except placebo. Astrology and tarot (which are quite closely linked) have mythological and creative value. I guess I think they work as arts but fail miserably as sciences.

EDIT: Yes I agree about the discrimination part - particularly in Hindu culture for example, where they base their marriage decisions on astrology. I like astrology only when it isn't taken seriously.


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13 Apr 2011, 3:17 pm

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Well – it seems moving this topic to random didn't work as other PPR residents are coming over to offer their opinion without stating how they arrived at it. I think this thread belonged in PPR because Astrology would come under the general heading of occult philosophy, and it was great to see a new member and a moderator stand up to the disrespect that is so common over there.

Moving it was probably the right call though biased upon the reaction. There is no hope for PPR unless Alex decides he wants it to be a place for serious discussions rather than a playground for aspies who just like to argue.


Although, to be honest, it would be like herding cats wouldn't it? I don't know if we're meant to be ruled by anyone. I [naively] believe he gets that. I sort of view this as our own kind of anarchy: leaders will be shot, out of necessity, to preserve our essence.

Let the rash ones make mistakes that they will regret later, it's how they learn. It's how I learn. I did get an astrology geek out of it... Any more? Hit me up. :)