What is currently legal but you think should be illegal?

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17 Apr 2011, 5:20 am

Trading 'Fiat Currency' as a commodity in, and of, itself.



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17 Apr 2011, 9:10 am

A major one - animal crush.

Think of the worst possible things you can think of to see and I've probably seen them - some not through choice, just to clarify, I've been pretty de-sensitised to them which is a sad state of affairs. I once saw photo's from a kitten crush video...NOTHING has ever effected me like that, I couldn't stop crying for a month.

I believe the law in the US has been changed now, and in the UK it's illegal, but there are places in the world where it is still legal for hard crush and certainly still legal for soft crush. There really is no punishment serious enough for people who make these videos.


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17 Apr 2011, 9:33 am

Even if 'crush' videos weren't illegal themselves, surely it would have been illegal from an animal cruelty point of view? Is it illegal to posess them now?



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17 Apr 2011, 9:49 am

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Energy drinks.


Some people say that the mixture of caffine, sugar and additives are causing major problems for peoples health, especially pregnant woman.

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Animal testing


This is one I am also strongly in favour of. I only donate to medical charities in the shops or on the street if they do not test on animals. Here is an example of an organisation which does just that.
http://www.humaneresearch.org.uk/

When I think about it and since it also relates to the likes of energy drinks and junk foods, rather than experiment on animals to cure disease HUMANS created through their own stupidity it is makes much more sense to remove the toxins.


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17 Apr 2011, 2:10 pm

Tequila wrote:
Even if 'crush' videos weren't illegal themselves, surely it would have been illegal from an animal cruelty point of view? Is it illegal to posess them now?


In the UK it is illegal to have anything to do with animal crush including possessing such videos under the idea that it's 'animal cruelty' - I do however thing soft crush is still legal. In the US it was only made illegal November 2010 - it took a while to push it through because they needed something that would specifically ban “crush videos” while not infringing on protected speech.

In other countries I'd still imagine 'animal cruelty' isn't going to make it illegal by default and there may well be other loopholes that allow it to go on, or it'll just be a case of people don't give a toss - you do still see a lot of horrific animal cruelty in Japan, China and Korea.


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17 Apr 2011, 2:19 pm

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Alcohol (even thought i do enjoy it from time to time, it is still the root of much illness and destruction)
Tobaco


You know that making these things illegal will cause them to be more widespread for all the wrong reasons, right?
Look at marijuana. In the United States, it's generally illegal for recreational uses. Many people only do it solely of this factor: it's illegal. Makes them feel badass, doing something illegal.
If you know anything about Prohibition in the early half of the 20th century in the United States, you'd be able to realize this and hope that we don't repeat one of history's big mistakes.

But anyways, I think pot should be legal here in the US.
I don't really see anything currently legal that should be illegal.


I realise all of this. That said, if tobacco and alcohol were discovered today they would be banned instantly for the effects they have on people. It just takes in so much in tax now that there is little possibility of reducing consumption any time soon. It is very sad that many people cannot recieve medical treatment because people with alcohol and tobacco induced illness' fill up hospitals.

Edit: I'd like weed to be legal also. I'd actually prefer free choice for all people but instead of creating laws for so called problems, I would prefer better awareness of the real risks associated with X and Y.

People being fed BS mixed with truth about X and Y will end up in denial about the affects it has.


Thing is, they were discovered centuries upon centuries ago, so that's what we have to work with. No way of changing the past, which I'm sure you already know. 8)

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I haven't really heard much about people with alcohol- and tobacco-induced illnesses filling up hospitals to the extent of others not being able to receive medical care here in the US, but maybe I'm wrong in thinking this. Nonetheless, even if that is the case in the US or other countries, people should have the freedom to be imbecilic to an extent. In this case, imbecilic because their actions of smoking or drinking can have consequences of illnesses. This isn't PPR, so I am not elaborating incredibly; merely ask if you want clarifications.

Anyways, along the lines of outlawing those things, I'm pretty sure most of us won't be happy when we have to pay for housing for smoking drunkards who are in prison merely for smoking and/or drinking. :?



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17 Apr 2011, 2:56 pm

Sanity. :P


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17 Apr 2011, 3:30 pm

All this Health & Safety Act fuss, yet they don't ban smoking! :roll:
I think selling cigarettes should be stopped. The government are cutting all our NHS services, and I'm not blaming people's ill health on smoking, but I think it would decrease the number of patients in hospitals if selling cigarettes became illegal.

Even though there is some sort of complicated explanation behind that argument, but who the hell thought of breathing dangerous gas into your lungs in the first place? I bet there's probably a complicated explanation of history behind that one aswell, and it that is - I'm pooped.


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17 Apr 2011, 3:36 pm

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The government are cutting all our NHS services, and I'm not blaming people's ill health on smoking, but I think it would decrease the number of patients in hospitals if selling cigarettes became illegal.


The government won't do this for several reasons:

a) It makes a lot of money on cigarette sales through extremely high taxation
b) Most of the people who drink/smoke heavily are working-class people
c) The tax that that brings in more than pays for the (often poor) NHS care that they receive

Mind you, I suspect that, with the cigarette taxes becoming unaffordably high that many people will switch to EU imports (although Customs will take great delight in harassing, humiliating and generally making life extremely difficult for people who actually bring back an allowance) and cigarette smugglers. Great.

Smoking will never be banned in this country. Smokers will just be increasingly denormalised, dehumanised and generally discriminated against.



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17 Apr 2011, 3:59 pm

The more posts I see from you Tequila the more I like you :)


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17 Apr 2011, 4:19 pm

Tax avoidance is currently legal. I'd criminalize it.



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17 Apr 2011, 4:33 pm

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Tax avoidance is currently legal. I'd criminalize it.


Yep for sure. Corporate tax avoidance is costing at least 50 billion pounds a year in the UK. Not fair considering the sheer amount of poverty and cuts to public services.

Another thing I would like to see changed is politicians who essentially just there for the corporations and banks out of office. Sadly it near impossible to get out of that trap. Shall I vote for labour, torys, convservities? nope, they are all useless and senseless. Some minor parties would probably do us a lot better (depending on which ones) but they are not taken seriously.


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17 Apr 2011, 9:00 pm

PatrickNeville wrote:
jamieboy wrote:
Tax avoidance is currently legal. I'd criminalize it.


Yep for sure. Corporate tax avoidance is costing at least 50 billion pounds a year in the UK. Not fair considering the sheer amount of poverty and cuts to public services.

Another thing I would like to see changed is politicians who essentially just there for the corporations and banks out of office. Sadly it near impossible to get out of that trap. Shall I vote for labour, torys, convservities? nope, they are all useless and senseless. Some minor parties would probably do us a lot better (depending on which ones) but they are not taken seriously.


Philip Green tax avoider & government employee say no more. Give politicians council housing & the same amount what people get on benefits then it will knock all this madness on its head. No more publicly funded duck houses & porn :D



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17 Apr 2011, 9:20 pm

PatrickNeville wrote:
jamieboy wrote:
Tax avoidance is currently legal. I'd criminalize it.


Yep for sure. Corporate tax avoidance is costing at least 50 billion pounds a year in the UK. Not fair considering the sheer amount of poverty and cuts to public services.

Another thing I would like to see changed is politicians who essentially just there for the corporations and banks out of office. Sadly it near impossible to get out of that trap. Shall I vote for labour, torys, convservities? nope, they are all useless and senseless. Some minor parties would probably do us a lot better (depending on which ones) but they are not taken seriously.


Hopefully the enough of the public will feel the same way that we do about mainstream parties and vote Yes in the AV referendum. Then we can vote for someone other than the big 3 as a first preference vote.



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17 Apr 2011, 9:22 pm

Haha well said. Politicians constantly talk about being there for the people and understanding what it must be like..... what is must be like - what a joke.

i live from job seekers allowance and really struggle to find work due to Aspergers. I apply for something like 3-6 places on average per week. the government will soon enough see me living on the streets rather than leaching because of some kind of no doubt fabricated reason why finding a job is difficult for me.


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17 Apr 2011, 10:08 pm

Putting animals to sleep unless they are dangerous to society. Build more shelters, lets stray animals run free.

And if alcohol became illegal, people would still make it and sell it to others. That is what happened in the 1920's when alcohol was illegal. People illegally made it and sold it.