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CaptainTrips222
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10 Jan 2013, 4:14 am

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No, I wish guns were available in the uk.

would that such would be possible without the concomitant gun crimes.


I thought guns were available there, just not like here, where they practically grow on trees.



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10 Jan 2013, 4:31 am

CaptainTrips222 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
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No, I wish guns were available in the uk.

would that such would be possible without the concomitant gun crimes.


I thought guns were available there, just not like here, where they practically grow on trees.

in england, possession of guns is tightly controlled, mostly restricted to gun clubs with restricted membership - but, of course - the more resourceful common criminals will [more often than not] still find a gun to use when they need to, much of the time. only english people [maybe a lot like you and me and that man behind the tree] will find they can't just go out and buy one for any reason, including self-defense. that is farther than most americans will go. without going through all the trouble of general gun confiscation, i still think that if ammo were tightly restricted and taxed to the moon, that a lot of our gun problem would eventually [when stockpiles depleted, anyways] recede in its viciousness. i don't believe that many crooks would be willing to go through all the trouble of making their own ammo, especially if the ingredients would be hard to find and widely separated in their sources. let 'em go back to saltpeter. :)



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10 Jan 2013, 6:01 am

Pistols and the dreaded "assault weapons" are banned in the UK (the same with most "enlightened" countries).

Most other things are fair game.



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10 Jan 2013, 6:07 am

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Pistols and the dreaded "assault weapons" are banned in the UK (the same with most "enlightened" countries). Most other things are fair game.

why was the late george harrison not allowed to keep a shotgun in his house to defend himself against that burglar that stabbed him?



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10 Jan 2013, 6:16 am

auntblabby wrote:
why was the late george harrison not allowed to keep a shotgun in his house to defend himself against that burglar that stabbed him?


No idea who that is and why he couldn't (perhaps not the right paperwork?), but you can keep a shotgun in your house in the UK. Sure, there's some paperwork, but that's just red-tape.

Here's the application for basic break action shotguns in the UK (other weapons come under a different Certificate); I just skimmed it, but it doesn't seem to require much, other than just signing off on being a decent person. I'm sure it's draconian compared to the US, of course, but in the end it's just paperwork:

Shotgun Certificate



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10 Jan 2013, 10:50 am

I can understand Bolt action type rifles and other similar types used for lesiure and the like (i would like to try someday) but i do not see the point in suppling full automatic assualt rifles and in some cases Light machine guns WITH ammumntion.

What kind of deer/target requires that amount firepower?



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10 Jan 2013, 11:17 am

Question14 wrote:
I can understand Bolt action type rifles and other similar types used for lesiure and the like (i would like to try someday) but i do not see the point in suppling full automatic assualt rifles and in some cases Light machine guns WITH ammumntion.

What kind of deer/target requires that amount firepower?


It's not about what the need is... It's about personal responsibility and freedom. After all; why would anyone "need" an automobile that goes 200mph, when the speed limit is 80 or 85 at the highest in the USA? Owners of those cars are trusted to drive them responsibly, and if they don't, they get cited or even go to jail depending on how seriously they abandon the responsibility of owning and handling such a thing. How many people on this forum, own a computer which is capable of viewing illegal or illicit images, and how many of us are responsible and avoid such things? If we outlaw the ownership of certain guns, then shouldn't we also outlaw computers capable of viewing illegal images, and outlaw vehicles which can go over 85mph? Where does personal responsibility stop? Can we make and enforce laws to make people wise, intelligent and kind to all others? I guess some politicians think so :roll:

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10 Jan 2013, 11:29 am

Question14 wrote:
I can understand Bolt action type rifles and other similar types used for lesiure and the like (i would like to try someday) but i do not see the point in suppling full automatic assualt rifles and in some cases Light machine guns WITH ammumntion.

What kind of deer/target requires that amount firepower?


Plenty of hunting applications for low powered, high capacity, quick shooting firearms like the now vilified AR-15; the low recoil from the low powered* round provides easy target acquisition when there's a swarm of little critters in the field. The fast follow up shot can help a little if heaps of them run. As for sport, there's lots of sporting events that use military pattern arms (though not actually ones supplied by the military, as they're generally illegal in most places).

Switzerland seems to be fine with supplying genuine assault rifles to many of its citizens. By the way you hear people talk, they should have all killed each other by now, but their murder rate is within the normal range for countries of similar economic levels.

*Don't let anyone tell you the .223 Remington cartridge is high powered. It's barely adequate for small deer with selected heavier bullets, and it's mainly suited for small game hunting -- there's a picture of a fox on a box of .223 near me (with small game written all over it), with said pictures pointing to what it's used for



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10 Jan 2013, 10:40 pm

kx250rider wrote:
outlaw vehicles which can go over 85mph?

i wish they'd bring back the 85 miles per hour speedometers instead of those ludicrous ones that read up to 180 miles per hour that they put even in econoboxes now :roll: