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I made my last post without reading this, sorry.

I'll try not hate myself so much but that probably won't last,

also, omg Anti-vist from your favorite band is AMAZING but as you probably know why, I can't post that here or much of anywhere.

The taste for original R'n'r thing is an offshoot from being a blues fan, which as far as I can see usually means electric blues this side of the water.

Whilst the English blues fan scene can be ferociously snobby, I grew up around an earlier scene that only accepted pre Robert Johnson.

There's an English tendency towards realer than thou puritanism / lunatic strict preservation societies. The sheer hatred between different kinds of jazz fans in the 50's and onwards was remarkable.

Pre-Robert Johnson? Now...that's raw, raw blues! I haven't heard much of blues from, say, the 1910s. I've listened to much more jazz from the 1920s than blues from that era.

Robert Johnson himself was pretty raw.

Ever see the movie "Sounder?"

Yep, the difficulty in actually accessing the records was part of the cult hit. What appears to have done it with Blues / R and B was either contact with America via seafaring through Liverpool (there were Liverpool people in the 50's who were called "Cunard Yanks"), i.e. merchant seamen bringing back records, and probably as importantly in the North of England, a large American airbase.

Being into the likes of John Lee Hooker, Sleepy John Estes and Blind LJ was uber uber uber hip when I was young.

Ok I am sorry, I thought about it and by saying no cares I alienated anyone here who likes me (or pretends to).

I apologize but you don't know the things I have done nor the things I have said. I am guilty of all of what I am accused of and so I just leave with my head down.

Not seen sounder no.

Spent a lot of the 80's flat on my back on Afghani black listening to stuff like this (Blind Willie Johnson) - also Furry Lewis, JBLenoir - it's the kind of uncompromising stuff that members of Led Zep, the stones and Eric Clapped out were listening to:

LOL....the Beatles were part of that "Cunard Yank" thing.

The links back / copyism can be highly interesting

Sweet Home Chicago - the Blues Brothers
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Sweet Home Chicago - Robert Johnson
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Old Original Kokomo Blues - Kokomo Arnold (1934)
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Oh and another thing, I'd really like to see some of these people who talk about "inclusion" include Little Richard.

AFAIK "cunard yanks" were merchant seamen who plied back and too to the states, noted for bringing back secondhand items that were luxuries in England at the time, not that I know a great deal.

I think the members of the Beatles used to get those records from those ships.

The UK, and Liverpool, were pretty grim places in the 1950's.

I learned a bit about this through the encyclopedia, and through reading "The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner."

They had a lethal fog in London in 1952, which killed many people.

That music, from those ships, were pretty important in the British musical Renaissance.

YES, I LOVE THIS SONG, I FORGOT ABOUT ITS EXISTENCE

ALSO THIS IS DARKER THEN JUST ABOUT ANYTHING BUT ITS NOT TO BAD ON LANGUAGE SO HERE IT IS,

Older men tell me The Big Three were better than The Beatles - not as pretty though:

Ah yes, but there was something in this gothic grim hellhole that attracted Scott Walker for instance.

Besides, the place has gone really downhill since it has been cleaned up. Mathew Street in Liverpool, the site of the old Cavern Club, has been horribly sanitised and disneyfied to the point of it becoming a joke. Into the 80's it was the kind of place you just might expect to bump into knife fights between Russian sailors or a free range Marc Almond.

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Before I first came in the UK in 1998, I had an image of the UK as being some sort of industrial wasteland, with lots of "housing project" type places (what you call "housing estates or Council Houses."

I was shocked that this image really was not true at all; in fact, the UK is one of the most greenest places I know.

The worst of the slums are gone, but if you know where to look there are still pleasantly hellish vistas available.