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13 Sep 2022, 2:35 am

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Prince Philip, husband of Elizabeth II was a GREEK prince


Phillip's nordic looking parents were Prince Andrew of Greece and Denmark and his Mother was Princess Alice of Battenberg. They had zero Greek ancestry.



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13 Sep 2022, 2:43 am

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I've read studies that say the British are very inbred because we're isolated on our island. It would explain a heck of a lot.


Following the Black death in the 1300s it's estimated the population of Britain reduced by between 40-60%. During this time following the end of the plague the King Edward III was busy spreading his genes among his many concubines and mistresses. Due to the population bottleneck the subsequent generations became saturated with his DNA so as a result most of the population of the UK are descended from this one king which means every Englishman is in line for the throne :lol: .



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13 Sep 2022, 2:48 am

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Charles has always been the sensitive one out of those children, although I think Edward is pretty sensitive too. His dad Philip disapproved of that and rumour has it he bullied Charles when he was young, wanting a 'tougher' son (like lots of dads do). But Anne and Andrew are the tough nuts. Also apparently Anne was Philip's favourite and Andrew was the Queen's favourite. Seems like Charles and Edward had to be second best.

We need more sensitive men in the world though.


I think Charles is the most intellectual and sober of all his siblings so in addition to being the oldest is also the most suitable candidate to be king. Andrew is a little rough around the edges. Edward is a shrinking violet.



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13 Sep 2022, 7:40 am

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His garden.Maybe he will encourage more gardening , green spaces and tree plantings.
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I have no doubt! He is very green.


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13 Sep 2022, 7:42 am

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I've read studies that say the British are very inbred because we're isolated on our island. It would explain a heck of a lot.


Following the Black death in the 1300s it's estimated the population of Britain reduced by between 40-60%. During this time following the end of the plague the King Edward III was busy spreading his genes among his many concubines and mistresses. Due to the population bottleneck the subsequent generations became saturated with his DNA so as a result most of the population of the UK are descended from this one king which means every Englishman is in line for the throne :lol: .


You are exactly right. The Black Death nearly wiped Europeans out. I think in some places, it was 9/10 people died. I imagine the royal family were protected fiercely during that time. Apparently Edward III had a lot of ideas how to stop it spreading, he was a force of nature.


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13 Sep 2022, 7:44 am

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I think Charles is the most intellectual and sober of all his siblings so in addition to being the oldest is also the most suitable candidate to be king. Andrew is a little rough around the edges. Edward is a shrinking violet.


I think you're right about Charles, although I think Anne would be a kind of Elizabeth I character, she is the toughest.

There's nothing wrong with being a shrinking violet.

Andrew is a paedophile. There would be a revolt if he was made king. Prince William doesn't talk to him and he won't be included in the royal family now Charles is king.


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13 Sep 2022, 7:48 am

I think these days Charles has the same sense of duty and integrity as his mother. Maybe not entirely on her level, but close enough.



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13 Sep 2022, 7:56 am

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I think these days Charles has the same sense of duty and integrity as his mother. Maybe not entirely on her level, but close enough.


I think it's a huge advantage that he's been an 'apprentice' for soooo many years. It's allowed him to get his own life in order, stabilise and mature with age. I think being such an old king makes people more lenient on him. I've been thinking 'when will he get a rest? He's been rushing around the UK for the last week, he's an old man and needs to rest.'


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13 Sep 2022, 7:56 am

Looking at pictures of Elizabeth and Philip when her reign began, them as a young couple with young children, makes me wish that could be repeated by William and Kate and their young children.

I remember when Charles had so much scandal surrounding him, most everyone wanted to see him bypassed and the crown go to William.

Also when William Arthur Philip Louis does become king, I insist that he go with being King Arthur.

Or would that be King Arthur II?



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13 Sep 2022, 8:02 am

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Looking at pictures of Elizabeth and Philip when her reign began, them as a young couple with young children, makes me wish that could be repeated by William and Kate and their young children.

I remember when Charles had so much scandal surrounding him, most everyone wanted to see him bypassed and the crown go to William.

Also when William Arthur Philip Louis does become king, I insist that he go with being King Arthur.

Or would that be King Arthur II?


I think that's how it goes: a young couple, then an old couple, then young etc. Although the Queen was a little girl when her father became king too.

Imagine that! Although, strictly speaking he should be Arthur III. Arthur I is the legend, Arthur II was the older brother of Henry VIII and they were grooming him to be king, but he died before he got to the throne.

I wonder if any future king would dare to be King Arthur :lol:


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13 Sep 2022, 8:13 am

KitLily wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
Looking at pictures of Elizabeth and Philip when her reign began, them as a young couple with young children, makes me wish that could be repeated by William and Kate and their young children.

I remember when Charles had so much scandal surrounding him, most everyone wanted to see him bypassed and the crown go to William.

Also when William Arthur Philip Louis does become king, I insist that he go with being King Arthur.

Or would that be King Arthur II?


I think that's how it goes: a young couple, then an old couple, then young etc. Although the Queen was a little girl when her father became king too.

Imagine that! Although, strictly speaking he should be Arthur III. Arthur I is the legend, Arthur II was the older brother of Henry VIII and they were grooming him to be king, but he died before he got to the throne.

I wonder if any future king would dare to be King Arthur :lol:

I was remembering Henry VIII's older brother. But I didn't think that counted.

I also remember when William was born or before if they knew he was a boy, many were clamoring for him to be named Arthur. Which is probably why that's his second name.

The thing with William though is I realized he's not that young being 40 already, hard as that is to believe. And I have a feeling Charles has inherited his parents longevity, and will probably be on the throne until William is 60 or more.



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13 Sep 2022, 8:20 am

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It should be remembered that:

Prince Philip, husband of Elizabeth II was a GREEK prince

The first two Georges, in the 18th century, hardly spoke a word of English; they were of German descent.

The Stuarts were of Scottish derivation. Scotland and England were united under one ruler starting with James I of England, who was also James VI of Scotland.

One near relative of Queen Victoria was Tsar Nicholas II of Russia.

The family name (house) of the Windsors were only "Windsors" because of World War I, and the fact that the Germans were the UK's enemies. Previously, their official "last name" was Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, which was German.

It's all pretty complex. In the 19th century, virtually every ruler in Europe was at least distantly related to each other. There was considerable "in-breeding."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_ ... _and_Gotha


As I understand it, King George I to Queen Victoria were all Hanovers, descendents of the Electors of Hanover in the so-called Holy Roman Empire, a state with a long and complex history centred on what is now Germany. After Queen Victoria, her descendants took the name "Sax-Coburg Gotha" as her husband was the son of the Duke of Sax-Coburg und Gotha. So they are a VERY German familly indeed!

One of my favourite historical figures came to Britain as a result of the links to Hanover. William Herschel left Hanover to seek his fortune as a music director in London, then got distracted by an interest in astronomy and telescope-making. He went on to discover the planet Uranus.


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13 Sep 2022, 8:40 am

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I have no doubt! He is very green.


He's so green that he could turn into Om Nom. :mrgreen:


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13 Sep 2022, 9:59 am

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I was remembering Henry VIII's older brother. But I didn't think that counted.

I also remember when William was born or before if they knew he was a boy, many were clamoring for him to be named Arthur. Which is probably why that's his second name.

The thing with William though is I realized he's not that young being 40 already, hard as that is to believe. And I have a feeling Charles has inherited his parents longevity, and will probably be on the throne until William is 60 or more.


Yes, I always think that William is a little boy!

And I assume the royal family has THE best doctors and medical care in the country, so they will live as long as humanly possible...So Charles III may live another 20 years, as you say!


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13 Sep 2022, 10:07 am

cyberdad wrote:
KitLily wrote:
I've read studies that say the British are very inbred because we're isolated on our island. It would explain a heck of a lot.


Following the Black death in the 1300s it's estimated the population of Britain reduced by between 40-60%. During this time following the end of the plague the King Edward III was busy spreading his genes among his many concubines and mistresses. Due to the population bottleneck the subsequent generations became saturated with his DNA so as a result most of the population of the UK are descended from this one king which means every Englishman is in line for the throne :lol: .


True… the average pleb here (like me) is descended from Edward III. Which makes me more royal than the Saxe-Coburgs… as they are all German. The last real king we had here was Richard III.


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13 Sep 2022, 10:18 am

Some of us in the states have royal blood.
I did family history and also have a claim.LOL to think of all these hillbillies with royal blood running in their veins.
And I had a corgi.lol


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