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09 Dec 2008, 12:53 pm

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It seems to me that part of being free and confident, despite the negative images and ideas popular culture might attach to obesity, is also not allowing your self esteem to be undermined when people say things consistent with that popular culture. I mean, rejecting the demonizing and bigotry against obese people, in your own self image and self esteem, is like step one. Step two is not being hung up on instances where other people talk consistent with those negative cultural belittling of obesity. If you reject the negative image and framing of yourself, you have to also not really care when others don't share your enlightened view.

Yeah, except I have a conscience, and I care about those unenlightened people going on to hurt someone who isn't as strong as I am.

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09 Dec 2008, 12:53 pm

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So then you really don't understand why people do get upset when someone tells them, the body type they have means they're going to die, that they are pigs, that they are lazy, or gluttonous? That's what is said about fat people every single day. I also feel like thin people can complain to me about the prejudices they face, when they have segments on TV everyday about how to gain weight, and TV shows dedicated to fattening people up. Yeah, that's right every single day there's some new news story or reasoning of why being a fat person is so horrribly wrong, and the best thing to do is antagonize them until they become thin.

Just so you have a clearer view of what I'm saying. I was watching The View on ABC, now you can say "Well it's a show for women, what did you expect?", they started talking about weight. Congratulating each other over the victory and bravery of saying they were 200 pounds or more.

Do you really think this is what is so important in the world, for people to go on talking about how much someone weighs rather than seeing them first as a person? Do you think these shows are doing any service, other than bringing in more money from advertisers like Jenny Craig and Weight Watchers with their girlfriend gab about how OMG fat they are? If it really was about health, people would be talking about how healthy they are, not how much they weigh. Weight is not a direct measure of health. This just goes to show you the constant prejudice paraded around in the media regarding fat people. The way they talk as if it's just so horrible to be fat, how can you live with yourself being fat.

Just replace the word fat with the word Black and you'll see striking similarities to a prejudice that was accepted in the past.

You can thank the media for brainwashing others and making them believe if you are not thin, you are not worth anything. As far as Jenny Craig goes, I admit I tried it, I lost weight REALLY fast and put it back on and then some once I got off.. not to mention it messed up my body in many ways more than I can explain.

Yet you pay into the kind of thinking, that led you to Jenny Craig, by perpetuating fat myths.

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09 Dec 2008, 1:39 pm

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Answer me this - how does a child who has never competed learn their abilities? Expand them? Learn how they compare to another, and how they can be better? I'm all in favor of not being discriminatory based on weight and size, but I'm not going to say that every person who is overweight should be, and is healthy being there, and change the system to make it easier to not try, not give any effort, and disappear into the mist. To me, it reads like aspiring to mediocrity... bollocks.

M.

...still waiting for an answer.

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09 Dec 2008, 1:40 pm

What is there to say. You seem pretty adamant in your opinion that for one to be valid as a person, they have to suffer.

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09 Dec 2008, 2:12 pm

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I think you need to read my post again:

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Good video but I have a question for that woman, if there is nothing wrong with being fat, then why do people get so upset when they get called it when they really are or get told they are when they really are? If they are proud the way they are, they shouldn't get so upset when they get called it. I don't get upset when people say I have big boobs or I am thin because it's the truth. I wouldn't get upset if people said I have a big butt or my thighs are big. But everyone says I don't have one, even aspies. So it must be my low self esteem then of why I think that and I am just lying to myself.

Sorry I was tired last night when I wrote that and I wasn't specifically talking about you. I was talking about those in general who have low self esteem not liking any feature about themselves, and weight is usually a big thing. And another thing to mention is, a lot of people are in denial about being overweight.. and that also comes from not dealing with what real issues are going on with them and they eat to "feel better" and don't want to face the consequences from overeating. Thats another reason that people would be offended if they were called fat. If they faced up to the truth and started looking within themselves more, they would be able to handle the truth better.

Ah yes another myth, all fat people are fat because they overeat to cope with their feelings. You are wrong, again not every fat person is the same. Most fat people are not fat from overeating, they are fat because people come in all different shapes and sizes, and that is determined by genetics. This is like the 3rd time I've had to repeat this.

I never said ALL do. Don't put words into my mouth please. I said A LOT. A LOT of people overeat for this reason. Not all! And yes at one time I DID fall for JC, but now I know better.

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09 Dec 2008, 2:14 pm

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Yet you pay into the kind of thinking, that led you to Jenny Craig, by perpetuating fat myths.

Yeah at one time I did, I admit it. So have YOU ever made a mistake in YOUR life?

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09 Dec 2008, 2:15 pm

Obesity doesn't even necessarily mean you're unhealthy.

"Fat and Fit"

I mean, seriously, isn't it common sense? The 300 pound guy who runs marathons who eats real food is obviously healthier than the 100-pound couch potato who survives on coffee and processed junk.

BTW. I want the study they were talking about in that article. If anyone knows how to find it, especially how to access the December 2007 Journal of the American Medical Association or the August 08 Archives of Internal Medicine without paying for it, then please do speak up... 2600 and 5400 are nice big groups of subjects, but there wasn't anything in this article about the specific selection methods, etc., and I want to check that stuff. These aren't the only two studies ever to show that fitness matters a great deal more than weight but they're the ones this particular article used.

IMO it seems like it may be "unhealthy people are more likely to become overweight", not, "overweight people are more likely to become unhealthy".

Apparently, most fat people are not compulsive overeaters, though most compulsive overeaters are fat. You can't assume emotional eating or even really overeating. Let me put it this way: Let's say somebody's 100 pounds overweight. There are 3500 calories in every stored pound of weight. And let's say that ten years ago, they were at a normal weight. Do the calculations and you find out that every day, they would have to overeat by a mere 96 calories more than they used up--about the same amount of calories in an apple. That's not pigging out--nowhere near.

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09 Dec 2008, 2:26 pm

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Some people are prone to being overweight due to genetics... and I am one of them, and I also have PCOS... But overeating and eating bad stuff will simply make it worse. I used to really hate my body but now I am to the point of knowing that, no matter how little weight I lose after eating well, at least I will be healthy even if I will never be thin. You may also want to watch this video, I admire this woman.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUTJQIBI1oA[/youtube]

Awesome...great video...

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09 Dec 2008, 3:01 pm

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What is there to say. You seem pretty adamant in your opinion that for one to be valid as a person, they have to suffer.

Here is the pot calling the kettle black :roll:

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09 Dec 2008, 3:04 pm

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Yes if you think highly of yourself, then others will pick up on that no matter how "thin" or "fat" you are. For many of us, that is easier said than done unfortunately.

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09 Dec 2008, 3:16 pm

Violet Yoshi let me ask you something:

Are you happy the way you are? If so, that is all that matters.

For people who work on losing weight, they are choosing it. They are unhappy with the way they are or don't like the way they are so they are doing something about it. Sadly they fall for scams such as diet pills and slim fast, etc. and I heard they gain it all back, just like the lady said in the video.

So I don't know why you are letting it bother you about other people deciding what they want for themselves. Think about yourself and what you want.

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09 Dec 2008, 3:20 pm

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Why? Thin people act like the world revolves around them all the time.

hmm...that sounds just a tad "prejudice"...

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09 Dec 2008, 3:24 pm

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Obviously she is not because she has the need to pick on everyone else and their past mistakes!

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09 Dec 2008, 3:25 pm

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This whole genetic obesity thing has to be one of the biggest myths around...

Not completely, but a myth nonetheless. If a person is eating a clean, healthy diet, they should not be obese. There are rare cases where they can be, but this is no excuse nor is it even worth considering in debate. Besides high fat low nutrition diets, one of the biggest problems is hormones. We get it through BPA in plastics, through conventional dairy and meats (hormone injections), through hygiene products, and through pesticides. We are assaulted with estrogen which causes the storage of excess fat, and the fatter you get, the more estrogen you can store. This is "stubborn fat". So, if a person tells you they've done everything they can and they're still overweight, they're probably lying. They probably haven't bought organic fruits and vegetables, cut out red meat, bought organic dairy (or, preferably, cut out dairy), stopped eating canned foods and food and drinks in plastic containing BPA, stopped using fabric softener, conventional deoderant, conventional soap, etc. They probably haven't stuck to this lifestyle, either. They probably still drink diet soda thinking it's good for them. They probably don't eat enough fruits and veggies. Even if you have a slow metabolism, you should not be overweight if you avoid these dangerous chemicals and eat a healthy and balanced diet.

I wish people would stop complaining and playing victim and actually take charge of their lives. The modern American diet is not only nutritionally devoid, but it's effin' toxic. Do something about it rather than calling people "sizeist" or whatever.

They SHOULD not be Obese, but they are.

I am doing something about it. I'm accepting my size. I do eat healthy, even though that doesn't result in me meeting the ridiculous thin ideal. My doctor says I'm healthy, even though I'm not thin. Have you been through medical school? Are you a doctor?

Why don't you take responsibility for your life, and learn how to be less prejudiced and assumptive?

www.bigfatfacts.com

I said nothing prejudiced or assumptive. You're just obviously defensive and seeping insecurity. I am overweight myself. It was not necessarily my fault (I was raised with toxic food and poor nutrition), but it is my responsibility to take care of it. If you are a rare case, so be it, but I really doubt it, and I think you're just whining and making excuses. Does your doctor say anything about the several damaging chemicals in our food supply? I doubt it. Your doctor doesn't handle issues that are that pervasive, nor does he really measure it's effects on your health.

Do you actively avoid estrogenic chemicals? I noticed you didn't even respond to the actual point of my post...

Your website is laughable, by the way. You are painfully obvious in your motivations.

go sertra! woot!

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09 Dec 2008, 3:27 pm

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Not sure what problem you have with violet_yoshi. Perhaps you might help us out by being more obvious in your motivations or points?

Don't play favorites just because violet_yoshi is a reg. That's the only reason I can imagine you taking this tone, as she is the one who attacked the OP for prejudice where no prejudice was displayed (the OP only talked about how childhood obesity has risen in recent years, which it has, which is due to poor food quality and a sedentary lifestyle). I defended her because she was attacked without good reason, and I gave my own reasoning. Violet_yoshi clearly has the problem. My motivation is only to tell the truth where the truth is not being told.

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thank you. very articulate and to the point! i'm glad somebody understood where i was coming from!

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09 Dec 2008, 3:31 pm

violet_yoshi wrote:

What is there to say. You seem pretty adamant in your opinion that for one to be valid as a person, they have to suffer.

I invited your input and feedback, your explanation of your views - I've made mine clear. The validity of a person is not dependent on suffering, but one cannot escape it either without sacrificing much, much more. Your call.

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