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28 Aug 2009, 10:40 am

The word "majdan" means "plaza" in Ukrainian. That, however, became a name of a one famous plaza in Kiev, and there was a long tradition of naming other important places after that. A lot of songs and poems are dedicated to majdan, and eventually that word became associated with Ukrainian culture itself.

There was set up a place, called Majdanek, for people to learn more about the culture and history of Ukraine. They had a big collection of Ukrainian art, poetry, dishes and artifacts, starting from antiquity all the way until modern times. They also performed a lot of Ukrainian dances, played Ukrainian music and listened to its poetry. Most people visitted Majdanek as a museum, just for few hours or so. But there were very cultured few who wanted to completely immerse themselves into it. They were allowed to sleep over; and there were a very rare few who decided to live there.

When Hitler came to power, he lied that Ukrainian are very hard working people, so the people who live in Majdanek should do some hard work in order to trully feel what Ukraine is like. When they refused, he forced them to. As a result, people didn't want to visit Majdanek any more, let alone live there. Hitler let everyone out unless, of course, they were Jews. The Jews, on the other hand, were FORCED to come and live in Majdanek even if they were not into the culture at all.

Then, each time Hitler tried to take Jew there, he won't admit to him he does it because he hates Jews, rather he will tell a Jew how it is such a great thing to go there. A Jew would see through it and ask Hitler how come he doesn't make any non-Jews go there. Hitler dismisses that by saying that we are all individuals, so who cares about the statistics of ethnicity of ppl there; and that a given person, AS AN INDIVIDUAL should want to go there! He would respond that no he does not. Hitler will tell him he just haven't trully experienced it yet why doesn't he go to try. He responds that he doesn't WANT to try. Hitler simply forces him to go.

Then, a while later, Hitler lied that Ukrainians are suicidal and they take gas showers as part of their tradition, so he suggested that the people living there should take gas showers as well in order to get a REAL taste of Ukraine. They all told him they know he is lying. He insisted that he didn't. Then they said that Ukrainian culture is not SOOO important that they are willing to die just to experience it. He simply insisted that they should do it.

Then finally they said that if Ukrainians gas THEMSELVES then it would be a misrepresentation if guards gas them instead. Hitler said that this little "detail" does not matter. Then they said that if he doesn't think the "details" matter, it obviously is not too important for him, so why should THEY give their lifes just to experience the culture? Hitler simply insisted that they go take gas shower, and didn't care for what they had to say.

But, if Hitler haven't ruined it for them, it would have been a nice cultural center. And survivors can always boast on how cultured they are ... after all they been to Majdanek, and not only that, they LIVED there for few years! True, it wasn't their choice. But leaving how and whys as personal details, they can still put in their resume that they are cultured enough to live there!



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28 Aug 2009, 10:55 am

Roman wrote:
The word "majdan" means "plaza" in Ukrainian. That, however, became a name of a one famous plaza in Kiev, and there was a long tradition of naming other important places after that. A lot of songs and poems are dedicated to majdan, and eventually that word became associated with Ukrainian culture itself.




8O Are you kidding me? I thought nobody ever would say something like this as intro in a new thread on this forum, but its cool and true :D

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28 Aug 2009, 11:34 am

Not to be rude, but what does this thread have to do with AS or autism?


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28 Aug 2009, 11:36 am

^yeah I actually thought the same. Looks like something random put in the wrong section...


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28 Aug 2009, 11:40 am

fiddlerpianist wrote:
Not to be rude, but what does this thread have to do with AS or autism?


This forum is not ABOUT asperger; it is FOR aspies to socialize. There are a lot of posts here that have nothing to do with autism.



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28 Aug 2009, 11:45 am

Roman wrote:
fiddlerpianist wrote:
Not to be rude, but what does this thread have to do with AS or autism?


This forum is not ABOUT asperger; it is FOR aspies to socialize. There are a lot of posts here that have nothing to do with autism.

The description of the General Autism Discussion (this particular forum) is: Talk about anything that has at least something to do with Autism, Asperger's, ADHD, and life. Other unrelated discussion belongs in the Random Discussion forum. Note that I'm not trying to moderate; I am simply asking if there is some implicit connection I am missing.


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28 Aug 2009, 11:48 am

Roman wrote:
fiddlerpianist wrote:
Not to be rude, but what does this thread have to do with AS or autism?


This forum is not ABOUT asperger; it is FOR aspies to socialize. There are a lot of posts here that have nothing to do with autism.


Edit, I said the same as fiddlerpianist concerning decription of thread. Im not either a moderator on this forum and I support your thread so dont feel yourself attacked.

This thread would make more sense to appear in this forum if you started to say something like:

"One of my obsessions/special interests is Majdanek" or...."a study showed that the majority of people lived there turned out to have AS" (I know it sounds weird but its just an example)

As it appear now we dont know what your idea around this thread was. What brought it into your mind right now?

But you are also right in other people tend to open threads in the autism section that very clearly belong to another section of the forum....


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28 Aug 2009, 11:50 am

fiddlerpianist wrote:
Roman wrote:
fiddlerpianist wrote:
Not to be rude, but what does this thread have to do with AS or autism?


This forum is not ABOUT asperger; it is FOR aspies to socialize. There are a lot of posts here that have nothing to do with autism.

The description of the General Autism Discussion (this particular forum) is: Talk about anything that has at least something to do with Autism, Asperger's, ADHD, and life. Other unrelated discussion belongs in the Random Discussion forum. Note that I'm not trying to moderate; I am simply asking if there is some implicit connection I am missing.


I thought the only difference between random discussion and general discussion is that in the former you make few liners while in the latter you make bigger posts. I didn't know this was supposed to have some connection to autism.



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28 Aug 2009, 11:52 am

The word "majdan" means "plaza" in Ukrainian. That, however, became a name of a one famous plaza in Kiev, and there was a long tradition of naming other important places after that. A lot of songs and poems are dedicated to majdan, and eventually that word became associated with Ukrainian culture itself.

There was set up a place, called Majdanek, for people to learn more about the culture and history of Ukraine. They had a big collection of Ukrainian art, poetry, dishes and artifacts, starting from antiquity all the way until modern times. They also performed a lot of Ukrainian dances, played Ukrainian music and listened to its poetry. Most people visitted Majdanek as a museum, just for few hours or so. But there were very cultured few who wanted to completely immerse themselves into it. They were allowed to sleep over; and there were a very rare few who decided to live there.

When Hitler came to power, he lied that Ukrainian are very hard working people, so the people who live in Majdanek should do some hard work in order to trully feel what Ukraine is like. When they refused, he forced them to. As a result, people didn't want to visit Majdanek any more, let alone live there. Hitler let everyone out unless, of course, they were Jews. The Jews, on the other hand, were FORCED to come and live in Majdanek even if they were not into the culture at all.

Then, each time Hitler tried to take Jew there, he won't admit to him he does it because he hates Jews, rather he will tell a Jew how it is such a great thing to go there. A Jew would see through it and ask Hitler how come he doesn't make any non-Jews go there. Hitler dismisses that by saying that we are all individuals, so who cares about the statistics of ethnicity of ppl there; and that a given person, AS AN INDIVIDUAL should want to go there! He would respond that no he does not. Hitler will tell him he just haven't trully experienced it yet why doesn't he go to try. He responds that he doesn't WANT to try. Hitler simply forces him to go.

Then, a while later, Hitler lied that Ukrainians are suicidal and they take gas showers as part of their tradition, so he suggested that the people living there should take gas showers as well in order to get a REAL taste of Ukraine. They all told him they know he is lying. He insisted that he didn't. Then they said that Ukrainian culture is not SOOO important that they are willing to die just to experience it. He simply insisted that they should do it.

Then finally they said that if Ukrainians gas THEMSELVES then it would be a misrepresentation if guards gas them instead. Hitler said that this little "detail" does not matter. Then they said that if he doesn't think the "details" matter, it obviously is not too important for him, so why should THEY give their lifes just to experience the culture? Hitler simply insisted that they go take gas shower, and didn't care for what they had to say.

But, if Hitler haven't ruined it for them, it would have been a nice cultural center. And survivors can always boast on how cultured they are ... after all they been to Majdanek, and not only that, they LIVED there for few years! True, it wasn't their choice. But leaving how and whys as personal details, they can still put in their resume that they are cultured enough to live there!



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28 Aug 2009, 11:54 am

Okay I re-posted it on the "random discussion" forum, see here http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt106350.html



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28 Aug 2009, 11:55 am

Roman wrote:

I thought the only difference between random discussion and general discussion is that in the former you make few liners while in the latter you make bigger posts. I didn't know this was supposed to have some connection to autism.


Dont worry about it. Its easy for a moderator to just move it to the random forum.

Edit: (is there one post of mine in this thread that is not edited, lol)

So I see you made a twin of it in the more correct forum, so I moved my first original post there for everyone to be curious of :P

This thread can basically be throwed in the bin, or at least locked then...


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28 Aug 2009, 11:59 am

So Roman, what brought this on your mind?


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28 Aug 2009, 12:05 pm

Roman wrote:
The word "majdan" means "plaza" in Ukrainian. That, however, became a name of a one famous plaza in Kiev, and there was a long tradition of naming other important places after that. A lot of songs and poems are dedicated to majdan, and eventually that word became associated with Ukrainian culture itself.

There was set up a place, called Majdanek, for people to learn more about the culture and history of Ukraine. They had a big collection of Ukrainian art, poetry, dishes and artifacts, starting from antiquity all the way until modern times. They also performed a lot of Ukrainian dances, played Ukrainian music and listened to its poetry. Most people visitted Majdanek as a museum, just for few hours or so. But there were very cultured few who wanted to completely immerse themselves into it. They were allowed to sleep over; and there were a very rare few who decided to live there.

When Hitler came to power, he lied that Ukrainian are very hard working people, so the people who live in Majdanek should do some hard work in order to trully feel what Ukraine is like. When they refused, he forced them to. As a result, people didn't want to visit Majdanek any more, let alone live there. Hitler let everyone out unless, of course, they were Jews. The Jews, on the other hand, were FORCED to come and live in Majdanek even if they were not into the culture at all.

Then, each time Hitler tried to take Jew there, he won't admit to him he does it because he hates Jews, rather he will tell a Jew how it is such a great thing to go there. A Jew would see through it and ask Hitler how come he doesn't make any non-Jews go there. Hitler dismisses that by saying that we are all individuals, so who cares about the statistics of ethnicity of ppl there; and that a given person, AS AN INDIVIDUAL should want to go there! He would respond that no he does not. Hitler will tell him he just haven't trully experienced it yet why doesn't he go to try. He responds that he doesn't WANT to try. Hitler simply forces him to go.

Then, a while later, Hitler lied that Ukrainians are suicidal and they take gas showers as part of their tradition, so he suggested that the people living there should take gas showers as well in order to get a REAL taste of Ukraine. They all told him they know he is lying. He insisted that he didn't. Then they said that Ukrainian culture is not SOOO important that they are willing to die just to experience it. He simply insisted that they should do it.

Then finally they said that if Ukrainians gas THEMSELVES then it would be a misrepresentation if guards gas them instead. Hitler said that this little "detail" does not matter. Then they said that if he doesn't think the "details" matter, it obviously is not too important for him, so why should THEY give their lifes just to experience the culture? Hitler simply insisted that they go take gas shower, and didn't care for what they had to say.

But, if Hitler haven't ruined it for them, it would have been a nice cultural center. And survivors can always boast on how cultured they are ... after all they been to Majdanek, and not only that, they LIVED there for few years! True, it wasn't their choice. But leaving how and whys as personal details, they can still put in their resume that they are cultured enough to live there!


A sensitive topic

I have no idea why you are posting this. Majdanek as a Genocide event is not something random.

I have no idea where your "anecdote" originated, but it does not add anything to the study of HaShoah. Please elaborate or clarify your post.


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28 Aug 2009, 12:05 pm

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Hehe, Im just following you :wink:

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The word "majdan" means "plaza" in Ukrainian. That, however, became a name of a one famous plaza in Kiev, and there was a long tradition of naming other important places after that. A lot of songs and poems are dedicated to majdan, and eventually that word became associated with Ukrainian culture itself.


8O Are you kidding me? I thought nobody ever would say something like this as intro in a new thread on this forum, but its cool and true :D and my cat is also named after it :oops:


Really? So does it have some third meaning, besides Ukraine and concentration camp?

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Even my YouTube channel "MaidanTube" is also dedicated to the very same place...*link below* 8) By coincidence Im about to bring on a video from there soon....:cyclops:


What did they named this tube after?

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So Roman, what brought this on your mind?


I listened to the song that mentioned Majdanek at the very end: http://www.natel.ru/mp3/track204s.mp3



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28 Aug 2009, 12:13 pm

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Majdanek as a Genocide event is not something random. .


That is why I originally posted it on general discussion ( see here http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt106344.html ) But I was told that if it is not autism-related I should post it on random discussion, so I poted it in random, and now you are telling me I should post it on general one like I originally did, LOL.

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I have no idea where your "anecdote" originated, but it does not add anything to the study of HaShoah. Please elaborate or clarify your post.


It adds a psychological dimension of what went on behind the scenes. Most of the holocaust studies focus on the actual events, and not on who was told what. So this post gives unique perspective on how ppl were lured to go there and were made look stupid in the process.



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28 Aug 2009, 12:35 pm

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