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02 Oct 2009, 11:40 pm

this goes beyond that 3-d crap and replacing christopher robin with a girl!

lottie? what? milne's doing sumersaults and a cirque du soleil routine in his grave.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainmen ... 283255.stm

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03 Oct 2009, 1:17 am

I think Disney's version of Winnie the Pooh is corrupted to begin with, even before they added Darby (the name of that new girl) and others. It just seems a little too sweet and sanitized. I like the original A. A. Milne version. In it, the characters are more true-to-life, corresponding to the roles that children adopt in life: Pooh is an all-around regular boy with a propensity for gluttony, Piglet is a faithful friend, Rabbit is a shy careful boy, Tigger is a loud in-your-face boy, Kanga is a babysitter figure, Roo is a little brother who's fun to be around, Owl is a smart girl in your class, Eeyore is a lethargic one, and Christopher is a protective father figure. Everybody has their strengths and weaknesses, and everyone learns to put up with each other and enjoy each other's company.

Not so with Disney. While they adopted some of the chapters from the original books without much change, as well as introduced some radical new things not encountered in the books, it all just seems too sickly sweet. The tone of voice the characters use doesn't correspond to how even little kids (who haven't yet gotten jaded by the world we live in) would talk. I know it's a Disney thing to do that "let's create a happy place" thing, but that just doesn't fit in with the characters that Disney didn't even create. OK, they create some, but I was talking about the original ones.

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03 Oct 2009, 1:59 am

some finding, russian version:

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03 Oct 2009, 2:34 am

I like the picture here (I'm sure it could help if I could read Cyrillic). The graphics look simplistic, almost 8-bit; they were clearly drawn by hand. Still, in a way, it makes a cartoon more interesting than that modern computer-generated stuff. I tried searching for Russian Winnie the Pooh on YouTube, and quite a few came up. I could follow the plot lines somewhat, but couldn't understand the dialogue. But I'm guessing it's closer to the A. A. Milne book than Disney. I noticed that the characters' voices sound much more distinct from each other than on Disney: Pooh talks in a casual "life is good but I'm hungry" voice, Piglet talks in a squeaky voice, Rabbit talks in a tense voice, and I didn't see the others.

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03 Oct 2009, 5:44 am

I don't think it was Disney but what they did to Charlotte's Web almost sent me into sugar shock. I like your assessment of the characters in Winnie the(r) Pooh Aspie 1. I read that A.A. Milne's son Christopher absolutely hated the whole Pooh thing.

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03 Oct 2009, 7:39 am

Poor Christopher Robin Milne. His father sold the rights to the Pooh books before he died so Christopher got zip.

The original Pooh Bear is in a museum in New York which refused to send it back to Christopher.

I understand that the Disney Company bought the copyright for 20 years after which it should have reverted to the English owners but because it is Disney's biggest money spinner, they had the political clout to have the copyright extended to 30 years.

I HATE it when people mess up classic stories.

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03 Oct 2009, 9:37 am

Hey, just something I thought you might enjoy. I took the time to search around for the cartoon, and found it. It's the one from graphic earlier, but with subtitles. Watch it, and post your thoughts. I liked the narrator's voice; the tone was similar to how Mr. Rogers talked but faster.

Here's chapter 1, where Pooh tries to get honey from a tree.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqdiEUp6s4E[/youtube]Here's chapter 2, where Pooh and Piglet visit Rabbit.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdogzjfzKTM[/youtube]Here's chapter 4-6 (part 1), where Eeyore loses his tail, then has a birthday party.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73uIn56G1YE[/youtube]Here's chapter 4-6 (part 2), where Eeyore loses his tail, then has a birthday party.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtVVRuy1T9c[/youtube]If you're wondering why I know so much about Russian cartoons, I have a friend who came from Belarus a little over ten years ago. He's the one who showed it to me some time ago, but I kind of forgot about it until now.

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03 Oct 2009, 11:04 am

Speaking of Russian Cartoons, A Russian guy painted this battle between Russian and American Cartoon characters.

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03 Oct 2009, 1:27 pm

Aspie1 wrote:

I In it, the characters are more true-to-life, corresponding to the roles that children adopt in life: Pooh is an all-around regular boy with a propensity for gluttony, Piglet is a faithful friend, Rabbit is a shy careful boy, Tigger is a loud in-your-face boy, Kanga is a babysitter figure, Roo is a little brother who's fun to be around, Owl is a smart girl in your class, Eeyore is a lethargic one, and Christopher is a protective father figure. Everybody has their strengths and weaknesses, and everyone learns to put up with each other and enjoy each other's company.

And corresponding to the real mental conditions as well. Owl is an aspie and dyslectic. Piglet has a social phobia, Tigger – ADHD, cute but not too smart Winnie The Pooh is a Down Syndrome sufferer while Eeyore suffers from depression. Rabbit in turn has the obsessive compulsive disorder.

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04 Oct 2009, 3:48 am

Fogman wrote:

Speaking of Russian Cartoons, A Russian guy painted this battle between Russian and American Cartoon characters.

Among the supporters of the Russian side, I recognize also characters from Polish, Czech and Austrian-Japanese cartoons. :lol:

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05 Oct 2009, 4:01 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnie_the_pooh

Origin

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Original Winnie the Pooh stuffed toys. Clockwise from bottom left: Tigger, Kanga
, Edward Bear ("Winnie the Pooh"), Eeyore, and Piglet.Milne named the character
Winnie-the-Pooh after a teddy bear owned by his son, Christopher Robin Milne,
who was the basis for the character Christopher Robin. His toys also lent their names
to most of the other characters, except for Owl and Rabbit, as well as the Gopher
character, who was added in the Disney version. Christopher Robin's toy bear is
now on display at the Main Branch of the New York Public Library in New York.[1]

Harry Colebourne and Winnie 1914 Christopher Milne had named his toy bear after Winnie,
a bear which he often saw at London Zoo, and "Pooh", a swan they had met while on holiday
. The bear cub was purchased from a hunter for $20 by Canadian Lieutenant Harry Colebourn
in White River, Ontario, Canada, while en-route to England during the First World War. He named
the bear "Winnie" after his hometown in Winnipeg, Manitoba. "Winnie" was surreptitiously brought
to England with her owner, and gained unofficial recognition as The Fort Garry Horse regimental
mascot. Colebourne left Winnie at the London Zoo while he and his unit were in France; after the
war she was officially donated to the zoo, as she had become a much loved attraction there.[2]
Pooh the swan appears as a character in its own right in When We Were Very Young.

In the first chapter of Winnie-the-Pooh, Milne offers this explanation of why Winnie-the-Pooh is often
called simply "Pooh": "But his arms were so stiff ... they stayed up straight in the air for more than
a week, and whenever a fly came and settled on his nose he had to blow it off. And I think — but I
am not sure — that that is why he is always called Pooh."

Crotchford Farm, Milnes' home in Ashdown Forest in East Sussex, England, was the basis for the
setting of the Winnie-the-Pooh stories. The name of the fictional "Hundred Acre Wood" is reminiscent
of the Five Hundred Acre Wood, which lies just outside Ashdown Forest and includes some of the locations
mentioned in the book, such as the Enchanted Place.[3]

The origin of the Poohsticks game is at the footbridge across a tributary of the River Medway near Upper
Hartfield, close to the Milnes' home at Posingford Farm. It is traditional to play the game there using sticks
gathered in nearby woodland. When the footbridge required replacement in recent times the engineer
designed a new structure based closely on the drawings (by E H Shepherd) of the bridge in the original
books, as the bridge did not originally appear as the artist drew it. There is an information board at the
bridge which describes aspects of how to play the game.

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07 Oct 2009, 12:27 am

Irulan wrote:

Aspie1 wrote:

Aspie1: awesome find!

I LOVE animation from those places, I practiaclly grew up watching foreign stuff

And what a find, great characters, animation and story! love how you can even feel each characters weight as they move

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