showman616 wrote:
Ambivalence wrote:
Well, you've also had 1812 and the Mexican War, both on land contiguous to the continental USA.

Admit it, you just like invading people...

Dont forget the Civil War- when we invaded each other and laid waste much of our own country!

I'm embarrassed to admit it completely escaped my mind! And it was far worse than the others.
I agree that it is a necessary evil. I think there is a danger of forgetting how much society relies upon force
internally, too. I've said before, I'm quite happy for the
police to kill people in certain circumstances, I'm quite happy for members of the public to kill people in
exceptional circumstances of self-defence; I'd rather those circumstances did not arise, but they do and they will continue. In any case, I'm
entirely happy that some people be detained indefinitely by use of force, which is all a prison is (or should be,
in my opinion; I don't think prison should be about revenge, which for a lot of people it seems to be; as far as I'm concerned it's a place to keep people who have demonstrated they wish to harm others, until they are no longer a threat - which in some cases, again
in my opinion a lot more cases than at present, means indefinitely.) With all that in mind, and given the undoubted presence of people who wish us as a nation harm, it would be hypocritical not to allow the state the liberty to exercise force to defend itself that it extends at the individual and social levels.
That said, I reckon we'd hurt the Taliban (and as a bonus, the vast organised crime networks involved in the drugs trade) a lot more effectively if we simply legalised opiates here, as they used to be. I believe it would be not morally right, but
less morally wrong, than the situation we have.
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