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zeldapsychology
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15 Oct 2009, 7:49 pm

First I DO NOT WANT TO OFFEND ANYONE! I'm just stating my opinion and views and AM SORRY TO OFFEND!! !! ! The other day I was thinking of people saying "are men fighting in Iraq for are freedom etc." but didn't we get in the middle of it? WE sent our men over there for what the whole "Weapons of Mass Destruction s**t! COME ON! Now lets look at BEFORE Iraq how about Hitler/Germany? Didn't WE AMERICA go over there?! !! ! So we've NEVER had a "War" it's us going to other countries etc. (Although before my time I'm sure we fought for are 50 states) Otherwise Iraq GO OVER THERE,Germany (WW2 I believe) GO OVER THERE Vietnam etc. the same thing!! ! What are your thoughts?



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15 Oct 2009, 7:52 pm

What is it good for!


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15 Oct 2009, 8:20 pm

gramirez wrote:
What is it good for!
...ab-so-lutely Nothin :lol:

View on War ? hmmmm, open minded usually.
I ain't no historian or psychology analyst, however, War is usually a cry for help or an arrogant expression thereof. Another novice observation is that it the instigators of War usually appear to have unresolved childhood issues. Funny thing about it is that they always beg of your pride to save their own.



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16 Oct 2009, 12:36 am

I do not know what my view on war is... that question is too vague for my liking. I have a brother in law who is currently a sharpshooter and a year or two ago, he lost nearly everyone in his company/unit... I do not know the exact terminology. I try to not pay much attention as it makes my sister deeply upset. We try to not think much of it all. My father was in Vietnam and he simply will not discuss what went on there. Both of my grandfthers served, as did my dad' mom's dad... I have many military people in my family. I understand that there are time when it is necessary to rise up and take a stand. I question some of the times we (I am in the US) have taken stands, but I cannot say all war is unnecessary. I wish we lived in a world where violence was not necessary, but this planet is just not there yet. The optimistic voice in my head says, "Someday" while the realist in my head mocks the optimist.

The tricky thing we face when we just go and invade a country is that we go in and shake everything up and then we have to stay and help rebuild. Bad things have happened when we jump in firing and run. I tend to be of the mindset that until we have our own issues here solved, we should stop trying to 'fix' the rest of the world... I say fix, but I tend to feel that our idea of fixing is more like making them like us. I think we can be obtrusive and arrogant bullies and it upsets me... But on the other hand, if there are things going on that are seriously harming people, how can we just turn a blind eye? I wish I had a more concrete answer for you, but I just cannot apply one answer to so many different situations.



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16 Oct 2009, 2:49 am

Well, you've also had 1812 and the Mexican War, both on land contiguous to the continental USA. :wink: Admit it, you just like invading people... :lol:


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21 Oct 2009, 6:38 pm

Ambivalence wrote:
Well, you've also had 1812 and the Mexican War, both on land contiguous to the continental USA. :wink: Admit it, you just like invading people... :lol:


Dont forget the Civil War- when we invaded each other and laid waste much of our own country!



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21 Oct 2009, 6:44 pm

War is like anyother human endeavor- it all depends.

You have to have armed services to defend your borders from outside agression.

Beyond that -it gets complicated.

I think its safe to say that our grandfathers were defending our Freedom at Normandy and at Iwo Jima.

But are our troops defending our "freedom" in Iraq?

I dont see how theyre defending anything but oil.



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22 Oct 2009, 2:25 am

Make Love Not War!


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22 Oct 2009, 12:25 pm

nessecary evil because the majority of humans are too stupid/bad to solve anythign the proper way.



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22 Oct 2009, 5:51 pm

showman616 wrote:
Ambivalence wrote:
Well, you've also had 1812 and the Mexican War, both on land contiguous to the continental USA. :wink: Admit it, you just like invading people... :lol:


Dont forget the Civil War- when we invaded each other and laid waste much of our own country!


:oops: I'm embarrassed to admit it completely escaped my mind! And it was far worse than the others. :oops:

I agree that it is a necessary evil. I think there is a danger of forgetting how much society relies upon force internally, too. I've said before, I'm quite happy for the police to kill people in certain circumstances, I'm quite happy for members of the public to kill people in exceptional circumstances of self-defence; I'd rather those circumstances did not arise, but they do and they will continue. In any case, I'm entirely happy that some people be detained indefinitely by use of force, which is all a prison is (or should be, in my opinion; I don't think prison should be about revenge, which for a lot of people it seems to be; as far as I'm concerned it's a place to keep people who have demonstrated they wish to harm others, until they are no longer a threat - which in some cases, again in my opinion a lot more cases than at present, means indefinitely.) With all that in mind, and given the undoubted presence of people who wish us as a nation harm, it would be hypocritical not to allow the state the liberty to exercise force to defend itself that it extends at the individual and social levels.

That said, I reckon we'd hurt the Taliban (and as a bonus, the vast organised crime networks involved in the drugs trade) a lot more effectively if we simply legalised opiates here, as they used to be. I believe it would be not morally right, but less morally wrong, than the situation we have. :? :(


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22 Oct 2009, 7:04 pm

[irony]Sometimes, you just have to go around conquering neighboring countries to spread your culture, ideals, and general superiority.
And it's fun.


And remember, at our planet's end, the country that's presently on top is the winner. Pursuing and maintaining that position can only make the game end sooner and ensure victory.[/irony]



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22 Oct 2009, 7:38 pm

We had the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, the Mexican War, the Civil War, the Indian wars, and the Spanish-American War on our soil.

WWII: The Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, and occupied some of the Aleutian Islands. There were U-boats sunk of the Atlantic and Gulf coasts.

And the War on Terror started because of 9/11, another example of war on our soil.


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22 Oct 2009, 8:01 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
We had the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, the Mexican War, the Civil War, the Indian wars, and the Spanish-American War on our soil.

WWII: The Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, and occupied some of the Aleutian Islands. There were U-boats sunk of the Atlantic and Gulf coasts.

And the War on Terror started because of 9/11, another example of war on our soil.




Some good points I know Pearl Harbor lead to Hiroshima the atomic bomb etc. stuff and true with 9/11 we started going for Afghanistan but I think the iraq stuff is silly. IMO go to Korea all that nuclear talk get are men OVER THERE! NOT Iraq!!



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22 Oct 2009, 9:29 pm

I'm what would be commonly referred to as a warmonger.

Make war, not babies (hey, I'm an environmental conservationist).



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23 Oct 2009, 12:15 am

I like their song "Low Rider," but I haven't heard anything else by them.



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23 Oct 2009, 3:55 am

ok, the list of songs below send an important message about war. At least i believe they do because of theyre storytelling value.


"Rule" Nas (Stillmatic)

"War is necessary" Nas (unknown album)

"My country" Nas (Stillmatic)

"tell the truth" Mos def & immortal technique (Unknown album)

"uncommon valor" Jedi mind tricks (Servants in heaven, kings in hell)

If your too lazy to search the songs, i will send lyrics in pm box. just message me asking.

Now, for my opinion on war. It takes a lot of innocent lives, brutal, but sometimes necessary.


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