A Question to the Religious
(Whoo, my first thread~)
I've seen a few religion threads lately and thought I might try my own, I will not berate or criticize your choice nor try to prove you wrong, I will simply ask a single question...
Why?
Why do you believe what you do over all other options available?
I may later follow up with some brief (one word to a single, short sentence) questions or counterpoints that I would like information on / your explanation of, but that is all.
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I could ask non believers the same question.
Why? For me God is real. Story from my darkest days on this planet. When I was destroying myself, cutting myself, overdosing feeling so miserable and overwhelmed that life was intolerable.
I yelled at God like David in the Psalms. And I experienced God. Peace. Like I never knew before and sadly, never after.
Since that day God is real to me. So I cannot not believe in God. Would be easier though. Because I have had a sexchange operation, I live with a partner who calls herself lesbian and churches are groups of people as well and I cannot function in groups.
I've seen a few religion threads lately and thought I might try my own, I will not berate or criticize your choice nor try to prove you wrong, I will simply ask a single question...
Why?
Why do you believe what you do over all other options available?
Some beliefs are more fun than others.
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Why do you believe what you do over all other options available?
I would like to believe in God the Creator.
People often say they believe God created the universe without understanding what that means. It's a big place and it's been around a long time.
Bringing the universe into being is the action of a real God.
I would like to believe we have free will.
If we have free will, God can know what we will do (as God is outside time) but cannot predict what we will do without letting us really do it.
God therefore cannot set up the universe to the best advantage of free willed life.
God must "run" the universe to see what happens.
I would like to believe that this world and this universe are trials for the next one, where God will change the rules based on what happens in this one.
I would like to believe that God's plan is to refine the universes until a paradise is achieved.
That would be an awesome plan. I don't mean awesome in the contemporary sense of "cool." I mean awesome.
That would be the action of a real God.
I would like to believe these things, but have no evidence.
I don't even know what evidence could possibly be offered for them.
This is my take on the fantasy of the World Remade.
Sometimes I do believe, despite having no evidence. I don't understand why.
Sometimes I don't believe.
I'm ambivalent.
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I've seen a few religion threads lately and thought I might try my own, I will not berate or criticize your choice nor try to prove you wrong, I will simply ask a single question...
Why?
Why do you believe what you do over all other options available?
I may later follow up with some brief (one word to a single, short sentence) questions or counterpoints that I would like information on / your explanation of, but that is all.
I do believe in God and that
there are three "persons" of one essence,
Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
I'm not over-Catholic, but am very self-conscious
over the fact I follow only one religion.
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Im not super religious though.
^ Pretty much this. I'm more into the grey area than a couple of my relatives. Personal experiances also helped this along. I'm not going to share these experiances in the thread.
Why do you believe what you do over all other options available?
I would like to believe in God the Creator.
People often say they believe God created the universe without understanding what that means. It's a big place and it's been around a long time.
Bringing the universe into being is the action of a real God.
I would like to believe we have free will.
If we have free will, God can know what we will do (as God is outside time) but cannot predict what we will do without letting us really do it.
God therefore cannot set up the universe to the best advantage of free willed life.
God must "run" the universe to see what happens.
I would like to believe that this world and this universe are trials for the next one, where God will change the rules based on what happens in this one.
I would like to believe that God's plan is to refine the universes until a paradise is achieved.
That would be an awesome plan. I don't mean awesome in the contemporary sense of "cool." I mean awesome.
That would be the action of a real God.
I would like to believe these things, but have no evidence.
I don't even know what evidence could possibly be offered for them.
This is my take on the fantasy of the World Remade.
Sometimes I do believe, despite having no evidence. I don't understand why.
Sometimes I don't believe.
I'm ambivalent.
^^Yaye greetings everyone,
I perhaps wondered if I may please ask a question for your happy little post Ambivalence. I am sorry if this is horrible of me.
If God is outside time, then would this not mean that predicting the future is equivalent to knowing the future. Rather, they have no need to predict.
That is, to an individual who is not dependent on time, time is merely an independent variable to them, just like position.
To them, all events that have taken place, are taking place and are to take place would be possible to be observed as they wish, like the events are all documented neatly within a book.
^^Oh dear, I am sorry that I am stating the above as such and I am very sorry if I am incorrect.
I am very sorry also as I personally do not believe if one particular religion, however believe that all are possible.
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Not at all. I try to reconcile my need to believe in God - I was at one point a practising Christian - with such understanding of the universe as I have.
That is, to an individual who is not dependent on time, time is merely an independent variable to them, just like position.
To them, all events that have taken place, are taking place and are to take place would be possible to be observed as they wish, like the events are all documented neatly within a book.
I didn't explain what I mean clearly enough. I found it difficult to write, though it is a simple idea. I'll try again.
If we have free will, it means that we choose for ourselves what to do. God doesn't choose for us. The only way for God to find out what we do is if we actually do it. The only thing that behaves like a person is a person. So while God knows what we do, we really have to do it first.
What it means is that God can't design a perfect world at the dawn of creation without "trial runs" - God must give us a world, and watch us live in it, and use that knowledge to make a better one. While God can do these things simultaneously, outside time - we could think of it as all the worlds existing at the same time, but separate from each other - the different worlds all have to exist. There cannot be a perfect world for creatures like us unless there are also imperfect worlds, and we're in one of the imperfect ones...
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Who said/voted that 'Earth reality' is evil
I think I missed that telethon
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Who said/voted that 'Earth reality' is evil
I think I missed that telethon
I'd guess that it's a personal belief.
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Who said/voted that 'Earth reality' is evil
I think I missed that telethon
it has been said, that "there are none so blind, as those who will not see." i would submit that those who feel our world is just fine the way it is, are part of the problem and not part of the solution. you can't fix a problem unless you can see that indeed there IS a problem. the problem is evil. the solution is to [at least] try to not be evil.
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I believe in Cthulhu because he believes in me.... no wait, if Cthulhu believed in me, that would mean he would be thinking of me. When Cthulhu thinks of someone, doesn't it cause the person to go mad? I don't want no part of that @#!% ! I guess I believe in Cthulhu for [insert reason].
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