I'm experiencing a lot of deja vu

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17 Aug 2010, 5:07 pm

And synchronicity recently.

Do any of you experience a lot of deja vu? What do you think it might be?

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17 Aug 2010, 5:10 pm

I get a lot of de jav u and medical people have informed me that its a psychotic symptom and lots of schizophrenics get it :?

Or it could be because of all your meditating your finely tuned to 'source' and on the right wave lengths. If there is 'inter being' then getting mini premenitions (de ja vu) would be a good sign that you were intune to the collective consiousness.



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17 Aug 2010, 5:24 pm

When I was 13, I actually could remember the dreams I would have before they would happen. I even ended up writing them down because I knew people thought I was full of crap. But I ended up doing the same thing for my boyfriend's accident a couple of weeks back, about 3 months ago. A whole 3 months worth of dreaming, and I quickly told him of everything. Heck, I even remember dreaming of the movie I was going to watch, which I did, and it freaked me out, cause it was like I watched the entire movie before I even knew what the name of it was. lol If it's schizophrenic and psychotic to do this, how come spiritual people are so capable. The funny thing is, is while they think this is a psychotic symptom - I can't hallucinate, and I know myself very well and am very self-aware. But nowdays I just realize I already dreamed this before it happened.

My theory is that because we become so overwhelmed easily, that our brains dream this stuff up so we are better prepared for the stress ahead. Because if we didn't dream it all, it would probably be a much more stressful situation. But I think our sub-conscious is always constantly working for us to help us prepare ourselves.


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17 Aug 2010, 5:45 pm

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I get a lot of de jav u and medical people have informed me that its a psychotic symptom and lots of schizophrenics get it :?


Oh joy. :lol:

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Or it could be because of all your meditating your finely tuned to 'source' and on the right wave lengths. If there is 'inter being' then getting mini premenitions (de ja vu) would be a good sign that you were intune to the collective consiousness.


Maybe!

I think I'm getting an unwarranted reputation as some kind of hardcore spiritual dude that I'm not. :lol:

I thought it was curious. I used to experience deja vu a lot when I was younger, but not for ages. And then I noticed twice today, deja vu.

If it's some kind of prescience, that would be totally cool, I'd like to find a use for it though.

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When I was 13, I actually could remember the dreams I would have before they would happen. I even ended up writing them down because I knew people thought I was full of crap. But I ended up doing the same thing for my boyfriend's accident a couple of weeks back, about 3 months ago. A whole 3 months worth of dreaming, and I quickly told him of everything. Heck, I even remember dreaming of the movie I was going to watch, which I did, and it freaked me out, cause it was like I watched the entire movie before I even knew what the name of it was. lol If it's schizophrenic and psychotic to do this, how come spiritual people are so capable. The funny thing is, is while they think this is a psychotic symptom - I can't hallucinate, and I know myself very well and am very self-aware. But nowdays I just realize I already dreamed this before it happened.

My theory is that because we become so overwhelmed easily, that our brains dream this stuff up so we are better prepared for the stress ahead. Because if we didn't dream it all, it would probably be a much more stressful situation. But I think our sub-conscious is always constantly working for us to help us prepare ourselves.


Are you saying that you remember dreams that you would have later? Strange. Memories of the future?

Or that you would dream about events that then later came about?

I think it's the latter? Wow, that would be interesting. But take some of the surprise out of life?

That's an interesting theory, it's possible. I think people with extreme problems find extreme solutions. Somehow tapping into the collective unconscious or whatever to become slightly psychic, I wouldn't rule it out.


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17 Aug 2010, 5:49 pm

Kelpie wrote:
My theory is that because we become so overwhelmed easily, that our brains dream this stuff up so we are better prepared for the stress ahead. Because if we didn't dream it all, it would probably be a much more stressful situation. But I think our sub-conscious is always constantly working for us to help us prepare ourselves.


but when i get deja vu its usually just when im doing menial day to day tasks, like last week when i was taking a shower. and no its not because i take a shower every day. i get deja vu of an exact moment- right down to what im thinking/feeling. why would my sub-conscious need to prepare me to take a shower:/



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17 Aug 2010, 5:52 pm

I get deja vu loads. Certain people would say it would be memories of my "past lives", which is nonsense of course.


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17 Aug 2010, 5:53 pm

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I get deja vu loads. Certain people would say it would be memories of my "past lives", which is nonsense of course.


Yeah, that makes no sense to me.


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17 Aug 2010, 6:01 pm

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When I was 13, I actually could remember the dreams I would have before they would happen. I even ended up writing them down because I knew people thought I was full of crap. But I ended up doing the same thing for my boyfriend's accident a couple of weeks back, about 3 months ago. A whole 3 months worth of dreaming, and I quickly told him of everything. Heck, I even remember dreaming of the movie I was going to watch, which I did, and it freaked me out, cause it was like I watched the entire movie before I even knew what the name of it was. lol If it's schizophrenic and psychotic to do this, how come spiritual people are so capable. The funny thing is, is while they think this is a psychotic symptom - I can't hallucinate, and I know myself very well and am very self-aware. But nowdays I just realize I already dreamed this before it happened.

My theory is that because we become so overwhelmed easily, that our brains dream this stuff up so we are better prepared for the stress ahead. Because if we didn't dream it all, it would probably be a much more stressful situation. But I think our sub-conscious is always constantly working for us to help us prepare ourselves.


Are you saying that you remember dreams that you would have later? Strange. Memories of the future?

Or that you would dream about events that then later came about?

I think it's the latter? Wow, that would be interesting. But take some of the surprise out of life?

That's an interesting theory, it's possible. I think people with extreme problems find extreme solutions. Somehow tapping into the collective unconscious or whatever to become slightly psychic, I wouldn't rule it out.


Yes, the latter. I would wake up, write my dreams down because I thought dreams had symbolic meanings and had a book that said what each thing meant. But instead of finding dreams that were symbolic, I was finding dreams that would happen in the future, usually 3 months out. It doesn't ruin the fun, because I usually forget about them until it happens and at least I had a whole source of people I told the dreams to and wrote them down. Just wish I had those dreams I wrote down hehe. The weird thing is, is that my memories of dreaming the events happening are much clearer than my actual memories.


And I wasn't there for any of my boyfriend's accident. Which is weird, because he freaked when I described it well. lol He doesn't remember me telling him my dream, and I am slapping myself silly over not writing it down instead. He doesn't believe in spiritual stuff, so I think he is blocking it out of his mind that I ever told him the entire dream. But he can't block out the fact that I told him that I would I would remind him again of it, because I knew I would forget I ever dreamed it happening, and I told him I would have a dejavu over some spam on a chatroom I would do (lol boredom kills), and would proceed to tell him almost incorrect data. I then told him to be careful because a tow truck was going to be taking his car away. 4 weeks later, the accident happened. Of course a tow truck took it away, it was totaled.

Psychic is part of the psychology vocabulary now, so I imagine in the future, we will figure out what this stuff is. They are learning more and more things about the brain everyday, and one thing they haven't studied much is the pineal gland, which produces a lot of DMT at near-death experiences, death experiences, and during our sleep. The studies on the chemical has been shown to be in all plant and animal life. Which is why there is a synthetic version popular with the hippies. ;D It's interesting to say the least, and one day we'll finally know much about these things.


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17 Aug 2010, 6:01 pm

I don't get it an awful lot but, I had memories (vague) of past lives 2x and maybe that was deja vu. I also got deja vu like "normal" people get it. I heard some theory of information traveling through different paths in the brain so they don't hit the cortex simultaneously. Makes a bit of sense to me. I don't think you get schizophrenia for having it, I think it could happen with any brain (even normal) or any that is a little unusual.

A few times I had jamais vu too.. and it's the same creepy, horrid feeling I think that deja vu gives me.



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17 Aug 2010, 6:02 pm

What's jamais vu? I've heard the term before but don't quite know what it is.


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17 Aug 2010, 6:07 pm

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What's jamais vu? I've heard the term before but don't quite know what it is.


I think jamais vu is when you're in a normal, prosaic, everyday situation and it suddenly seems really weird and freaky. I get that sometimes, more often than I get deja vu


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17 Aug 2010, 6:11 pm

Kelpie wrote:
I would wake up, write my dreams down because I thought dreams had symbolic meanings and had a book that said what each thing meant. But instead of finding dreams that were symbolic, I was finding dreams that would happen in the future, usually 3 months out. It doesn't ruin the fun, because I usually forget about them until it happens and at least I had a whole source of people I told the dreams to and wrote them down. Just wish I had those dreams I wrote down hehe. The weird thing is, is that my memories of dreaming the events happening are much clearer than my actual memories.



That made me laugh, I don't know why...


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And I wasn't there for any of my boyfriend's accident. Which is weird, because he freaked when I described it well. lol He doesn't remember me telling him my dream, and I am slapping myself silly over not writing it down instead. He doesn't believe in spiritual stuff, so I think he is blocking it out of his mind that I ever told him the entire dream. But he can't block out the fact that I told him that I would I would remind him again of it, because I knew I would forget I ever dreamed it happening, and I told him I would have a dejavu over some spam on a chatroom I would do (lol boredom kills), and would proceed to tell him almost incorrect data. I then told him to be careful because a tow truck was going to be taking his car away. 4 weeks later, the accident happened. Of course a tow truck took it away, it was totaled.

Psychic is part of the psychology vocabulary now, so I imagine in the future, we will figure out what this stuff is. They are learning more and more things about the brain everyday, and one thing they haven't studied much is the pineal gland, which produces a lot of DMT at near-death experiences, death experiences, and during our sleep. The studies on the chemical has been shown to be in all plant and animal life. Which is why there is a synthetic version popular with the hippies. ;D It's interesting to say the least, and one day we'll finally know much about these things.


Hmmm, DMT at death, that might account for the stuff written in the Tibetan book of the dead. A trippy voyage kind of thing into a dream like 'world'. Interesting.


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17 Aug 2010, 6:17 pm

Psychosis? Huh, I thought I read that deja vu is related to seizure or seizure-like activity in the temporal lobe.

Like someone earlier said, I get the feeling at times but at mundane moments about mundane things. Like sitting in the car at a stoplight with the radio going, and remembering a year earlier being at the same light, with the same weather, same shirt, same pedestrians, same cars around, same radio program... but the radio program is live and about current politics, and it makes no sense that I would've heard it before (and also, the president was someone else the previous year).

If not for the logical glitches, I'd never know that they're not real memories. And I suspect that that happens a lot, in my case.



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18 Aug 2010, 1:26 am

Because of what the medical people had said to me and because I get a lot of psychic type experiences at times, I thought I would get out this book from the library about 5 months ago.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Schizophrenia-P ... 93&sr=8-35

It was very good and in it he provides good evidence for there being a link between schizophrenia and psychic phenomena. Traditional psychiatrists think its just a delusional feeling, but this chap provides evidence that they really are. It is an extremely interesting read, and really made me think, well worth a look if your interested in de ja vu and syncronisity.

The author is very interesting as he is a psychologist who had a psychotic episode himself so knows it from the 'inside'. He also experienced psychic phenomena includeing 'tapping' such as people hear at saionces, but others can hear it too so its definately not delusion. He first trained in geology too so is scientific evidence based in outlook rather than wishy washy.

not that I think you have schizophrenia, I just thought it was an interesting read on the subject.



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18 Aug 2010, 2:22 am

if it's true that are other dimensions, then a possibility is that the you in a parallel world is "leaking" some unknown energy that you're picking up as a memory that hasn't happened yet. seems like a plausible explanation to me as quantum mechanics (newer) allows for many additional dimensions.



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18 Aug 2010, 3:33 am

I will go with the scientific explanation that it is an anomaly of memory, giving the impression that an experience is "being recalled."

This explanation is substantiated by the fact that the sense of "recollection" at the time is strong in most cases, but that the circumstances of the "previous" experience (when, where, and how the earlier experience occurred) are quite uncertain. Likewise, as time passes, subjects can exhibit a strong recollection of having the "unsettling" experience of déjà vu itself, but little or no recollection of the specifics of the event(s) or circumstance(s) they were "remembering" when they had the déjà vu experience. In particular, this may result from an overlap between the neurological systems responsible for short-term memory (events which are perceived as being in the present) and those responsible for long-term memory (events which are perceived as being in the past). The events would be stored into memory before the conscious part of the brain even receives the information and processes it.

Another theory being explored is that of vision. The theory suggests that one eye may record what is seen fractionally faster than the other, creating the "strong recollection" sensation upon the "same" scene being viewed milliseconds later by the opposite eye. However, this theory fails to explain the phenomenon when other sensory inputs are involved, such as hearing or touch. If one, for instance, experiences déjà vu of someone slapping the fingers on his left hand, then the déjà vu feeling is certainly not due to his right hand experiencing the same sensation later than his left hand considering that his right hand would never receive the same sensory input. Also, people with only one eye still report experiencing déjà vu or déjà vécu (a rare disorder of memory, similar to persistent déjà vu). The global phenomenon must therefore be narrowed down to the brain itself (i.e., one hemisphere being late compared to the other one).

(Courtesy of whoever wrote the Wiki article).

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More recently déjà vu has been explained in terms of information processing. For instance, Herman Sno, one of the world's leading experts on the topic, has proposed that memories are stored in a format that is similar to that used to store holographic images. Most people think about holography as a way of creating cool 3D images and as an excuse to play with laser beams. But the aspect of holography that is central to Sno's thesis is how holograms store information. In particular, Sno points out that unlike traditional photography, each section of a hologram contains all the information needed to produce the entire picture. The smaller the section one uses, however, the less precise (and fuzzier) the resultant image becomes. According to Sno, human memory works in an analogous way. Déjà vu experiences occur when one¿s current situation spuriously matches one of these fuzzy images of a past event. It's rather like convincing yourself that you recognize the person in a blurry security camera picture.

It is also possible to explain déjà vu in terms of global matching models of memory. According to these models, a situation can seem familiar for one of two reasons. It may seem familiar because it is extremely similar to a single event stored in memory. But a situation can also seem familiar if it is moderately similar to a large number of events stored in memory. For instance, imagine you are in an experiment in which you are shown pictures of various people in my family: my brothers John and Joe, my sisters Sharon, Linda and Judi, my parents Walter and Patricia, and so on. Now as you're walking out of the experiment you happen to bump into me. You might have the experience of seeing me and thinking to yourself, "Hey, that guy looks familiar." The reason for this is that although nobody in my family looks exactly like me (the poor devils) they all look somewhat like me and according to global matching models the similarity tends to summate. Some experiences of déjà vu could be explained in a similar way.

Progress toward understanding déjà vu has also been made in the neurosciences. In particular, researchers in both cognitive psychology and the neurosciences have distinguished between memories that are based on conscious recollection and memories that are based on familiarity. For instance, most people are able to consciously recollect their first kiss. They can mentally put themselves back into the context of that event (sigh). But we've also all had the experience of knowing we've met someone before, but not knowing quite where. The person is familiar but we can't quite place them. Researchers believe that a memory system that includes the prefrontal cortex and the hippocampus mediates conscious recollection whereas a memory system that includes the parahippocampal gyrus and its cortical connections mediates feelings of familiarity. Josef Spatt has recently argued that déjà vu experiences occur when the parahippocampal gyrus and associated areas become temporarily activated in the presence of normal functioning in the prefrontal cortex and hippocampus. This produces a strong feeling of familiarity but without the experience of conscious recollection.


http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... y-is-dj-vu
http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... grid-cells