Autistic Hypersensitivity to Electrical Emissions

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02 Mar 2019, 2:57 pm

This is Part 2 of Electrics Behind my wall - Dangerous?

I think I have the problem defined - commonly known as EMR or EMS -
something to do with Smart Meters, which people need to get away from.

For a fact, there is an entire apartment 6'x6' with electrical installations,
including Smart Meters, stuck next to my own apartment's living room wall.

This is making me profoundly sick and if I go out it stops. My hand is all blue
and the pain all over is level 7 on 1-10.

Question 1 - Does anybody know if autism causes hypersensitivity? Could this be the source of my problem?

Question 2 - There are "cures" for Smart Meter problems on line - tried any? Do they work?



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03 Mar 2019, 5:45 am

According to the wiki article, it is not a real condition & products claiming to help are snake oil. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroma ... ensitivity

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Electromagnetic hypersensitivity (EHS) is a claimed sensitivity to electromagnetic fields, to which negative symptoms are attributed. EHS has no scientific basis and is not a recognised medical diagnosis. Claims are characterized by a "variety of non-specific symptoms, which afflicted individuals attribute to exposure to electromagnetic fields".[1]

Those who are self-described with EHS report adverse reactions to electromagnetic fields at intensities well below the maximum levels permitted by international radiation safety standards. The majority of provocation trials to date have found that such claimants are unable to distinguish between exposure and non-exposure to electromagnetic fields.[2][3] A systematic review of medical research in 2011 found no convincing scientific evidence for symptoms being caused by electromagnetic fields.[2] Since then, several double-blind experiments have shown that people who report electromagnetic hypersensitivity are unable to detect the presence of electromagnetic fields and are as likely to report ill health following a sham exposure as they are following exposure to genuine electromagnetic fields, suggesting the cause in these cases to be the nocebo effect.[4][5][6]

As of 2005 the WHO recommended that people presenting with claims of EHS be evaluated to determine if they have a medical condition that may be causing the symptoms the person is attributing to EHS, that they have a psychological evaluation, and that the person's environment be evaluated for issues like air or noise pollution that may be causing problems.[1] Cognitive behavioral therapy may be helpful in managing the condition.[7]

Some people who feel they are sensitive to electromagnetic fields may seek to reduce their exposure or use alternative medicine.[8] Government agencies have enforced false advertising claims against companies selling devices to shield against EM radiation
I would try to look into if your problems could be caused by anything else including other environmental factors.


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03 Mar 2019, 8:59 am

Most people have no clue as to what it takes to fully shield a room. Short answer is that it isn't going to happen with the resources you have available.

You have a better chance of buying a winning lottery ticket, buying a ticket on a spacecraft to blast into orbit, and returning safely back to earth.

There certainly is a correlation between being poor and having health issues. Which also translates to people living in less desirable housing and having health issues as well. "Not poor" in this case as being able to just buy your way into better housing.

In the time I've been here, I think this is the first time anyone has brought up this possible link. I'm sure I would have remembered. Just one of those Aspie quirks. I do take breaks away from this site.



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03 Mar 2019, 11:26 am

My reasoning is this: I'm hypersensitive to light, noise, crowds, etc. This is usual for somebody with Asperger's, for which I have a formal written Dx from the top loony-bin here.

That's why I start the topic with the word 'Autistic.' My reactions might be due to autism. We've got an entire website here with aspies helping each other by advising headphones, sunglasses, lighting, and so on. I am asking everybody to give a thought to the same process in my reaction to the 6'x6' electrical installation behind my living room wall.

It doesn't matter how the rest of the world reacts. It matters that I am having real, dangerous reactions - entirely in line with the hypersensitivity of autism/asperger's.

Would you tell me what you think of my theory?



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03 Mar 2019, 11:49 am

The most practical way to test your theory is to move.

Shutting off the power to the entire building is another test, but that isn't going to happen.

I should have been a scientist, but I realized decades ago that nobody wants to pay for scientific research unless there is an obvious Return on Investment. Drug companies will pay for research if it is obvious people will buy expensive pills. Something that gets rid of wrinkles on old people's faces, for example.



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03 Mar 2019, 1:07 pm

Moving is also the best way to find out what it's like to be pursued by bailiffs sent by landlord.

If I'm right about why this is happening, then I could at least run it past a psychiatrist, who could maybe help.

You make me look forward to power failures. :wink:



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03 Mar 2019, 2:06 pm

Just spend as much of your time as possible away from the smartmeters and any other source of intense EMFs.



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03 Mar 2019, 5:57 pm

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/ ... ation.html

While the symptoms attributed to EHS conditions are real, numerous scientific studies to date have failed to demonstrate that these health effects are actually associated with EMF exposure.

A Canadian Conspiracy?



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03 Mar 2019, 6:27 pm

BTDT wrote:
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/environmental-workplace-health/radiation/consumer-radiation/electric-magnetic-fields/electromagnetic-hypersensitivity-consumer-radiation.html

While the symptoms attributed to EHS conditions are real, numerous scientific studies to date have failed to demonstrate that these health effects are actually associated with EMF exposure.

A Canadian Conspiracy?

Arg! I'm not getting through to you. I *know* that. That's why I will not find proof. But autistic symptoms of various kinds are not capable of proof either. But they are really happening. But you only seek to tell me what to do.

As for the Canadian Gov't, it does whatever Hydro Quebec wants, because Hydro employs half the country. Hydro has successfully controlled the research. That's a universally accepted opinion in this city. Hydro rules.

How angry it makes me to find yet another study paid for by Hydro!

I see it like this: a familiar scenario. I'm having meltdowns. People believe I'm doing these things (sometimes they call an ambulance). I am looking for someone who will entertain the possibility that my dangerous situation can remedied by changing my environment, notwithstanding science.



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03 Mar 2019, 6:30 pm

Prometheus18 wrote:
Just spend as much of your time as possible away from the smartmeters and any other source of intense EMFs.

Yes, I'm already living in the kitchen, but my bed won't fit there.
See? you're telling me what to do.
I'm looking for your thoughts on my theory, science aside.



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03 Mar 2019, 7:24 pm

I think if it were a valid theory we would see other examples here.



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03 Mar 2019, 7:28 pm

EMF radiation, radio waves, microwaves, are all around us, you aren't going to get away from them anywhere on the planet. Why? they are ubiquitous. Some are naturally occurring, some are man made...Hypersensitive or not, you can't fix the issue.

Anyone selling devices, shields, or other types of "protection" are preying on fear to make money.



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03 Mar 2019, 9:37 pm

So none of you think that my agonizing reaction, which happens here and nowhere else to me, might in some way result from autistic perception?



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03 Mar 2019, 10:12 pm

Rather than the EMR from the meters could ther be a high/low level noise or vibration from them? I know that I can feel vibrations that others don’t necessarily and it can make me feel quite ill. I googled about the smart meters and found mixed information. I know I would not want to live next to the electrical room.

As an aside, we learned that when our smart meter was installed it was not grounded. My husband was working with the tv cable connections and the cable felt hot. There was no reason for it to be hot. We called the cable company and thankfully got someone who knew something and they told us to call Hydro. I’ve never seen a utility company act so fast! They were there in less than an hour to fix it. Our house could have burnt down from the electricity running through it. I mention this long story because maybe there are some bad installations in the meter room.



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04 Mar 2019, 4:57 pm

Claradoon wrote:
So none of you think that my agonizing reaction, which happens here and nowhere else to me, might in some way result from autistic perception?


I don't doubt that something is bothering you. I can be triggered by all types of stimulus - It may be something different altogether. It might be a vibration from a motor, it might be a low-frequency sound, a buzzing light bulb. Its hard to say, but it even a malfunctioning meter should not be causing you agony.



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04 Mar 2019, 5:05 pm

Double-blind, controlled studies have repeatedly shown that so-called "electro-sensitive people" simply cannot tell the difference between genuine and fake electro-magnetic fields. For example, a research team in Norway (2007)conducted tests using sixty-five pairs of fake and mobile phone radiofrequency (RF) exposures. "The increase in pain or discomfort in RF sessions was 10.1 and in fake sessions 12.6 (P = 0.30). Changes in heart rate or blood pressure were not related to the type of exposure (P: 0.30–0.88). The study gave no evidence that RF fields from mobile phones cause head pain or discomfort or influence physiological variables. The most likely reason for the symptoms is a nocebo effect.

At this time, it looks as if "electro-hyper-sensitivity" (a.k.a., electrical sensitivity and electromagnetic hypersensitivity) is a psychosomatic disorder. Electro-hyper-sensitivity is not a medical diagnostic term, in any case, and is identified solely by self-reporting. Many electro-sensitives may be misdiagnosing themselves, however. For example, the insomniac who also suffers from headaches might consider cutting down from two pots of coffee a day to a cup or two instead of blaming his neighbor's Wi-Fi for his health problems. It would not surprise me to read about research that finds electro-sensitives respond well to acupuncture, homeopathy, therapeutic touch and other forms of placebo medicine.