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27 Jul 2011, 2:37 pm

curious if there are any individuals similarly strange as I within the sight of these words i type. As above, so below. i skip the 'so mote' part. Its redundant. The way i see it As A. and So B. are sufficient to seal spells and such.



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27 Jul 2011, 3:08 pm

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27 Jul 2011, 3:13 pm

so_subtly_strange wrote:
curious if there are any individuals similarly strange as I within the sight of these words i type. As above, so below. i skip the 'so mote' part. Its redundant. The way i see it As A. and So B. are sufficient to seal spells and such.


Ya, as above=so below is straight from the Emerald Tablet.

The "So mote" part is just your standard wiccaish 'mumbo-jumbo' though, so far as I've been able to tell.

Don't worry about the words so much anyway, its the symbolism that counts. Except for Names. I wouldn't try to fudge those.

Just a suggestion you can disregard if you want? Don't call them spells. People hear that and shoot straight to thinking fireballs and Harry Potter now-a-days. Rituals, ceremonies, spiritual meditations, whatever else - but outright saying 'Magic' and 'Spell' is as likely to result in questions about Hogwards as it is to actually convey the meaning you're looking for.



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27 Jul 2011, 3:20 pm

I love Kenneth Anger. That's about as far as I go with the occult.



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27 Jul 2011, 3:21 pm

How do you define "into the occult", OP?


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27 Jul 2011, 4:07 pm

K-R-X wrote:
The "So mote" part is just your standard wiccaish 'mumbo-jumbo' though, so far as I've been able to tell.


It's stuck on the end of this, which I s'pose I'll have to read now. So it has pedigree, assuming the MSS is legit.


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27 Jul 2011, 4:27 pm

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Any Aspergian Occultists?

There are many who think they are (or who think they can fool others into believing that they are), but there is really no one capable of providing a practical demonstration of their alleged occult abilities.


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27 Jul 2011, 4:42 pm

K-R-X wrote:
Just a suggestion you can disregard if you want? Don't call them spells. People hear that and shoot straight to thinking fireballs and Harry Potter now-a-days. Rituals, ceremonies, spiritual meditations, whatever else - but outright saying 'Magic' and 'Spell' is as likely to result in questions about Hogwards as it is to actually convey the meaning you're looking for.


I see where you are coming from, however i have VERY rarely spoken with anyone about my spiritual side, so that's not really an issue. Furthermore 'spell' in its silliness is rather appropriate term for anytime i have undertaken an action i would consider a spell. Meditations into subjects demanding deeper reverence belong to a different realm of magical practice. The occasional instances when i use 'spells' upon minor issues in my life, i feel it is important to invite spirits of humor to the circle. For instance i once used spell to help me summon energy to myself to wash a sink full of dishes. Which was a success interestingly enough, no sooner than i completed the spell, something fell over in the bathroom, making a crashing sound, which startled me, and woke me right up.

Now to spur the conversation further : i have seen the greatest shroud of black magic plaguing the world. It is the idea the magic and the spiritual is a 'supernatural' phenomenon, while we are blind to natural magic that surrounds us like a sea. It is as if people have no eyes.



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27 Jul 2011, 4:49 pm

Fnord wrote:
so_subtly_strange wrote:
Any Aspergian Occultists?

There are many who think they are (or who think they can fool others into believing that they are), but there is really no one capable of providing a practical demonstration of their alleged occult abilities.


Thank you, perfect demonstration of the principle i just spoke of. True, it is important to note many occultists are infected with ideas of the supernatural, as people with misconceptions of the occult completely outside of it. The word occult comes from the Latin word occultus (clandestine, hidden, secret), referring to "knowledge of the hidden".



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27 Jul 2011, 5:05 pm

I don't believe in the occult but it interests me :)
Also like alot of occult songs from different extreme metal bands.


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27 Jul 2011, 5:16 pm

Dread can change the way the mind works, with the process of neuroplasticity, just as focusing on the positive can change the way the mind works. Voodoo works, because people believe in it and it changes their expectatations and motivations in life.

If you tell me you are going to place a spell on me, and I consider it real, I maystart to experience dread, and make choices in life that I wouldn't normally make; in this case the spell has a real effect, but it is the result of a self fulfilling prophecy, because of a change in thought process and state of mind.

It works the same with religion, if one gains a sense of hope, it doesn't matter what the source is, it is always better than a sense of dread, hope, leads to a better state of mind, and positive choices in life. Dread, in general paralyzes human beings restricting what they might accomplish in life.

Psychology is real. Hope and dread is real. And if one believes in Voodoo it can produce real changes in the mind from dread, as religion also does for those that believe in it, receive benefit from it, and gain hope through it in their life.

The only way to measure it is through self report. In both cases research that provides evidence from self reports suggest that there can be a positive psychological impact from religion and a negative psychological impact from VooDoo.

Some like to think that religion is the same thing as VooDoo. That's fine, but the psychological benefits are often different from what is experienced by those that believe in VooDoo. At, least that's what the research suggests.

This is the part that has been measured. As to the parts that can't be measured; I don't establish myself as an authority on personal experienced phenomenon that can't be measured, because unless I personally experience something that can't be scientifically measured, I can't possibly provide a 100% correct judgement on the factors that may influence someone elses experience of reality and whether or not it is beyond the normal experience of what most people consider reality.

Science now suggests that all our realities are shaped differently by our experiences and genetic makeup, so I think if someone uses science as an objective means of determining what approach to take in life, this is the most reasonable approach to take on phenomeon in other people's lives that we don't share and fully understand.

If I keep a closed mind to the experience of others that I dont agree with, I can't possibly hope to understand much about the lives of others, except for what I personally experience.

I knew a Jamaican guy that would not have anything "spooky" in his house, because of his personal understanding of VooDoo. The old saying hear no evil, speak, no evil, see no evil, applies here, in that if one does not add what they see, hear, or speak as negativity in their life, they consume a mental diet richer in positive audio, visual, and interactive stimuli, that comes together to make them who they are now and in the future.

It was a cultural teaching for him, the Jamaican people are rated among the people in the world that are the happiest, with the greatest sense of self esteem. They must be doing something right.



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27 Jul 2011, 7:28 pm

so_subtly_strange wrote:
As above, so below.


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