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02 Dec 2011, 10:13 pm

Back in the 60s-70s-80s, every ten years pop culture was pretty much completely re-invented. What was cool in 1966 was NOT cool at all in 1971. What was cool in 1976 wasn't cool at all in 1981. What was cool in 1986 wasn't cool at all in 1991.

But then something happened. What was cool in 1996 was still kinda cool in 2001. And stuff from 2006 is still pretty cool in 2011 for the most part, or at least it doesn't seem that outdated. Do you think times just change less quickly in this century than they did in the twentieth century?

You would have to go back to the year 2000 imo (11-12 years) just for the culture and people to seem even SLIGHTLY different!



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02 Dec 2011, 10:16 pm

I always look back at the 2000s and like how happy I was. Today I see reality. Maybe I didn't see reality then is why I was so happy.



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02 Dec 2011, 10:46 pm

Circle989898 wrote:
I always look back at the 2000s and like how happy I was. Today I see reality. Maybe I didn't see reality then is why I was so happy.


I didn't like the 2000s or the 90s that much. I found the pop culture and attitude of that time to be uncreative and mean-spirited.



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02 Dec 2011, 10:52 pm

I was a lot younger then, So I might of been more Naive.



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02 Dec 2011, 10:56 pm

donnie_darko wrote:
Back in the 60s-70s-80s, every ten years pop culture was pretty much completely re-invented. What was cool in 1966 was NOT cool at all in 1971. What was cool in 1976 wasn't cool at all in 1981. What was cool in 1986 wasn't cool at all in 1991.


Actually, things from the late '60s were still very dominant during the first several years of the '70s. The hippie movement was a big influence on pop culture starting from the late '60s and ending in the mid '70s. Then what was popular in the late '70s continued into the first several years of the '80s, and the "big hair" fad of the '80s took until around the mid '90s to completely go out of style.

donnie_darko wrote:
But then something happened. What was cool in 1996 was still kinda cool in 2001. And stuff from 2006 is still pretty cool in 2011 for the most part, or at least it doesn't seem that outdated. Do you think times just change less quickly in this century than they did in the twentieth century?


There were some differences pop culture-wise between 1996 and 2001. In 1996, grunge still had the biggest influence on pop culture. Shortly thereafter, things got more pop-ish and cheesy and a lot more '70s-influenced, and this lasted until the first couple of years in the '00s.

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You would have to go back to the year 2000 imo (11-12 years) just for the culture and people to seem even SLIGHTLY different!


I disagree. Fashion, for example, in the the year 2000 was very '70s-influenced; whereas fashion starting in the late '00s to today is very '80s-influenced.


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02 Dec 2011, 11:20 pm

I haven't really noticed.


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03 Dec 2011, 12:14 am

I think that styles change much quicker these days as there are so many subcultures compared to even twenty years ago.



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03 Dec 2011, 1:28 am

Good point Descartes. Though even the year 1971 had Shaft - a very 70s thing. I would say the early 70s were rather a co-existence of the 60s influence and the nascent 70s, rather than merely an extension of the '60s.

The early 80s definitely had a lot of leftover 70s, but you also had some very 80s things too, like "Whip It" by Devo. A lot of people think New Wave peaked in the 1980-81 period (or even in the 70s!!) but I disagree and would say its true peak was late 1982 to um, freaking 1990 really.

And yeah, 1991 actually was pretty 80s. It probably wasn't until 1993 that Grunge truly replaced hair metal, I bet if you asked the average person in 1992 if they preferred Nirvana or Van Halen, they would have picked Van Halen.

The thing is, the early 2000s seemed like merely an extension of 1998-1999, and today is still so similar to the early 2000s.



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03 Dec 2011, 3:20 am

A difficulty I find with this subject is how to address the nostalgic and 'borrowed' elements to what is considered pop culture, and also the cultural anthropological side of things.
Look at burlesque for example.
If I were to ask different people the question of, "when did burlesque become popular?"....
The answers based on where people are from and what they know would be very different:
Dita Von Tease helped make it popular. After Shakespeare wrote A Midsummer Nights Dream in the late 1500's. In the 1940's and 1950's when it started to be put to film in America. Neo-Burlesque is huge now all over the world...etc
If you're in Australia, you'd likely know what a Sharpie is.
But elsewhere there were no Sharpies.
Visual kei started in the 80's in Japan and now has lots of subcultures that people from all over the world are part of.
Pop culture is so ridiculously broad now, and there are so many more people connected through the internet that it is difficult to realise just how popular certain things can be.



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03 Dec 2011, 4:03 am

CockneyRebel wrote:
I haven't really noticed.


Perhaps because we're from the UK, I don't think styles have differentiated much here. I'd imagine 80's culture would have been more prevalent if you were living in Miami as opposed to living in London. I would also say the mods and rockers style from the 50's and 60's is still very prevalent in fashions and trends today in the United Kingdom. I think styles like that will always be prevalent in our society.



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04 Dec 2011, 12:03 am

Sharpies are an Australian invention? Interesting. I have a Sharpie right next to me.



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04 Dec 2011, 12:25 am

donnie_darko wrote:
Sharpies are an Australian invention? Interesting. I have a Sharpie right next to me.


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