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12 Jul 2012, 6:37 pm

I just read that they want you to show id to even go on a train or greyhound bus now. That is ridiculous.

Not that I have the money to travel anywhere but I'm even more trapped by not having an id. Before if I didn't want to fly (and can't with no id) I could have just taken the greyhound bus.

I read this on a site.

"Requiring photo ID to be displayed by all adult passengers prior to boarding is part of a new set of security measures Greyhound Lines is phasing in across the country."



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12 Jul 2012, 8:29 pm

I road greyhound last month & they never asked me for ID one time; not even when I picked up my tickets I had ordered online but I showed em the printout of the order forum.
It may not be difficult for you to get a state ID; it wasn't for me but I had my birth certificate & a copy of something else with my name & all on it


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13 Jul 2012, 3:09 am

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It may not be difficult for you to get a state ID; it wasn't for me but I had my birth certificate & a copy of something else with my name & all on it


It seems impossible for me because of the strict requirements in my state. I'm still figuring out what to do.



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13 Jul 2012, 7:31 am

Well I do have an id so that is not too bad, If you don't have an Id you could probably get one for pretty cheap I think its like 5-10 dollars for a regular ID, not sure if it is where you live though.

But why new security measures? I am more concerned they are going to start making the security more like it is at an airport which pisses me off. Let me guess it's supposed to reduce 'terrorism' or maybe it has to do with the war on drugs since people might bring drugs on the bus but you know I'd rather have terrorism and drugs than a complete lack of freedom


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13 Jul 2012, 7:37 am

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Well I do have an id so that is not too bad, If you don't have an Id you could probably get one for pretty cheap I think its like 5-10 dollars for a regular ID, not sure if it is where you live though.


It's not a matter of price. In New York in order to get an id I'd need all kinds of stuff to prove my identity that I have no way to get. Even with my birth certificate, social security card, ged, and a credit card that's not enough.

Those are the only things I have from this list and many of the things on it are related to work, school, banking, or welfare, none of which I have.

http://www.dmv.ny.gov/forms/id44.pdf

I don't know how it is in your state but I'd say to renew your id right away if it expires. Mine is expired around a decade or more but if it was expired less than 2 years all I'd need was the old id.



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13 Jul 2012, 7:40 am

hanyo wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Well I do have an id so that is not too bad, If you don't have an Id you could probably get one for pretty cheap I think its like 5-10 dollars for a regular ID, not sure if it is where you live though.


It's not a matter of price. In New York in order to get an id I'd need all kinds of stuff to prove my identity that I have no way to get. Even with my birth certificate, social security card, ged, and a credit card that's not enough.

http://www.dmv.ny.gov/forms/id44.pdf

I don't know how it is in your state but I'd say to renew your id right away if it expires. Mine is expired around a decade or more but if it was expired less than 2 years all I'd need was the old id.


Those are the only things I have from this list and many of the things on it are related to work, school, banking, or welfare, none of which I have.

Really? that's freaking crazy....I mean what more could they possibly need? that does sound pretty ridiculous. Are you sure its not just a list of things you can bring rather than a list of what you absolutely have to have.


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13 Jul 2012, 7:50 am

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Really? that's freaking crazy....I mean what more could they possibly need? that does sound pretty ridiculous. Are you sure its not just a list of things you can bring rather than a list of what you absolutely have to have.


You need 6 points worth from that list. I guess they figure "everyone" is either in school, working or on welfare, and probably has a bank account so most should have a lot of things from the list.

When I went to try to get my id they even asked if I had a benefit card. I guess that means they think I look like I'm on welfare. :(

I was looking up about getting a check cashing card even though I have no checks to cash but it seems like stores don't have them any more.

Edit: I don't know if it's true and if they don't do them any more it doesn't matter but I read on a site from 2008 that you need a bank account to get a check cashing card. To get a bank account you need an id. There goes that idea.

Edit 2: Then I thought pistol permit? I looked it up and that wouldn't work. It didn't mention needing an id (I'd imagine you would but it doesn't say) but you need to have done a handgun safety training in the past 6 months and you need 4 character references that need to fill out forms. One can be a relative living with you but the rest can't be relatives. Also you have to be fingerprinted and it costs $115.25.

Edit 3: Here is something else ridiculous I read on my city's web site. It's a good thing I have a copy of my birth certificate and my mother is still around or I'd be even more screwed.
"Only the individual themselves or their parents are entitled to a copy of the birth certificate. You must show photo identification to receive a copy of a birth certificate."

That means if I didn't have my birth certificate and needed it for getting my id I couldn't get it because I'd need the id to get the birth certificate.



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13 Jul 2012, 9:10 am

In Belgium. You are summoned to replace your id, you must show up in a certain time period. If you don't, you get fined :twisted: . You just need the old one.

Everything is dependent on having an id 8) . I don't think they would tolerate any one to have an expired id for 10 years.

I think, you should ask seeing a superior, don't rely on the underlings. Its a bureaucracy, and in a bureaucracy, the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing.



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13 Jul 2012, 10:15 am

Somewhere else someone pretty much said I "had a lot of excuses" and "just need to do what needs to be done". That's really ****ing helpful. It's not excuses if it's an explanation and it's true. It's not like I can come up with documents that never existed or force the dmv to give me an id.

With people like this out there it's no wonder I barely leave my house. If it wasn't for needing an id for a bank account I wouldn't even be bothering. My mother wanted me to have an id because she is getting older so she could put me on her bank account in case she was ill or injured or in the hospital and needed me to do her banking for her. Also so I'd have access to the bank account if she died.



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13 Jul 2012, 11:42 am

hanyo wrote:
Somewhere else someone pretty much said I "had a lot of excuses" and "just need to do what needs to be done". That's really ****ing helpful. It's not excuses if it's an explanation and it's true. It's not like I can come up with documents that never existed or force the dmv to give me an id.


You are dealing with low ranking civil servants. They tend to be lazy, and avoid taking responsibilities. This is why you need to see some one with more authority. If you are really in a circular dead lock. The person of authority will bend the rules for your case.

When the Euro was being introduced, i found my self in a circular dead lock. I needed an amount labeled in Euros, but i had it in an other pre-Euro currency. They where treating it like an exchange rate and send me to the bank. The bank was treating it like the same currency and they couldn't do anything. Ahhhh!! ! In the end, i went to a superior, she did the conversion her self in 3 seconds.

In general. If you think you are dealing with an a**hole civil servant. Just request to see some one else, they are good people in the civil service too. If its a dead lock, ask to see a superior.



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13 Jul 2012, 11:52 am

I live in NYC and I agree with you that this is ridiculous - both the requirement to show ID to ride a train or bus and the requirements for a state ID. I think there should be a way to get a state ID via affidavits from other people. That would be stronger proof than 75% of the documents on the list. Also the voter ID laws being passed by red states make the assumption that a person can get a state ID, which as you've shown isn't always true. Further, NYS will mail you the ID as a way of verifying your address, which makes it impossible for a homeless person to get one.

If you live in NYC you probably won't get a pistol permit anyway unless you're a security guard.

You will probably find it's possible to get a passport. You may need an affidavit from an identifying witness. Yes, the State Dept overcharges for passports and I think they should be an entitlement for all US citizens as part of the freedom of mobility. When you have that you will be good.



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13 Jul 2012, 11:59 am

(Yes I realize "freedom of mobility" isn't enshrined in the Bill of Rights, but it is something people have needed and exercised since the beginning of time. It is enshrined in the constitutions of most states).

By the way, don't let anyone tell you you did something wrong. People are idiots.



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13 Jul 2012, 12:02 pm

I rode the greyhound last month aswell and they never asked me for my ID.

In las vegas they did search my carry on bags however, and in albequrque once they gave me a pat down and metal detectored me

that will be the last time I ever ride the bus. its the worst form of transportation besides hitching



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13 Jul 2012, 12:05 pm

richardbenson wrote:
I rode the greyhound last month aswell and they never asked me for my ID.

that will be the last time I ever ride the bus. its the worst form of transportation besides hitching


I ride it once in a while myself, and I usually have to show ID for "will call" tickets but you're right I don't think I've ever been ID'd getting on the bus. Nevertheless, this person needs a state ID, life is a real pain in the ass without one.

Hitching used to be a pretty good form of transportation before Americans got all scared of each other.



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13 Jul 2012, 12:06 pm

I rode the greyhoud bus and it wasn't that bad but that was a long time ago. I went to Lake George on it as a kid and once went to Florida on it as a teenager.

I don't know about getting a passport. I don't have any primary identification but maybe I could have enough secondary identification to satisfy them. I don't know. The site is vague about that. at least I could use my mother as an identifying witness for that.

With the passport I'd easily have enough points for the non driverd id and then never let it stay expired again.



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13 Jul 2012, 12:11 pm

MyFutureSelfnMe wrote:
Hitching used to be a pretty good form of transportation before Americans got all scared of each other.
True. americans are scared of just about everything these days, I blame the media.

why just look at the news. its like a day time soap ffs, remember when they had a color coded terrorism threat level for that pirticular day? scared the sh-t out of everyone haha