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19 Oct 2013, 11:23 pm

For the last couple of days I've been finding myself highly amused when the news segment of the talk radio programs mention that phrase, proportionately more so when it doesn't really fit the crime. If they announce someone being arrested for murder and 'being held on $1M bail' it's virtually boring but in the case of someone dropping a bit of dry ice in a plastic bottle it's almost absurd - although I don't think it's proper for people to pull a jackass move at airports or amusement parks, in that case they deserve the extra attention they were seeking. Maybe in those cases drop a dry ice bottle down their pants to boot.


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19 Oct 2013, 11:43 pm

It's a terrorist act to detonate a bomb at an airport.

Those idiots should not be granted any bail at all.


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20 Oct 2013, 6:57 pm

And isn't bail relative to how much the criminal is worth? So each crime shouldn't necessarily have a set bail amount.



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20 Oct 2013, 9:49 pm

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20 Oct 2013, 9:57 pm

UndeadToaster wrote:
And isn't bail relative to how much the criminal is worth? So each crime shouldn't necessarily have a set bail amount.
Really :? I heard stories about how business execs arrested for tax evasion or stealing company money & some crime bosses(like major drug dealers) getting released on 1M & those guys are have alot more than that to help them flee the country. I also find it odd when some people get fined high amounts like a teenager hitting an engendered bird with his sling-shot & the parents got fined 10thousand. I thought we had rules about excessive fines here in America.


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20 Oct 2013, 11:34 pm

nick007 wrote:
UndeadToaster wrote:
And isn't bail relative to how much the criminal is worth? So each crime shouldn't necessarily have a set bail amount.
Really :? I heard stories about how business execs arrested for tax evasion or stealing company money & some crime bosses(like major drug dealers) getting released on 1M & those guys are have alot more than that to help them flee the country. I also find it odd when some people get fined high amounts like a teenager hitting an engendered bird with his sling-shot & the parents got fined 10thousand. I thought we had rules about excessive fines here in America.


The 8th Amendment to the US Constitution prohibits excessive bail as well as 'cruel and unusual punishment' which has gotten virtually every form of capital punishment forbidden, as well as more effective rehabilitative methods such as the stocks. On misdemeanor cases a person can usually be released on OR (own recognizance) meaning they remain free as long as they don't miss any court dates, felonies usually require a higher bail amount - if the full amount is posted by the defendant they usually get it all back after the trial, but if they secure a bond on 10%, that money goes straight to the bondsman never to be seen again, except by Dog The Bounty Hunter


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21 Oct 2013, 9:47 am

UndeadToaster wrote:
And isn't bail relative to how much the criminal is worth?

No, it's more related to the nature of the crime. Planting bombs at airports is more of a threat to more people than smoking joints on courthouse lawns. Releasing these two people would allow them the opportunity to set more bombs where they could do more damage. Releasing a stoner means that the worst he likely to do is light up another joint.

Let's keep those two terrorists locked up for as long as the law allows. The protection of the general public comes first, and trumps any right to 'reasonable' bail.


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