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you would allow the cops to
lock the kid in a cell and call children services within 24 hours 5%  5%  [ 1 ]
lock the kid in a cell and call cps immediately 10%  10%  [ 2 ]
forbid the cops to lock up the kid, demand they find someplace else for him to wait in the station other than a locked cell 86%  86%  [ 18 ]
Total votes : 21

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02 Feb 2015, 10:00 am

I posted this question before, but then I learned from a legal forum that it was my mistake: minor victims of abuse can only be locked up if they are runaways or acting in a way that will endanger them or others. Locking up a kid just because he's a victim of abuse is illegal.

However, forty four percent of those who answered the poll on various forums voted it's ok to lock up a kid. Now I wonder if it was because they meant a runaway or otherwise troublemaker kid. This left me curious to know how people feel, what people want.

So, here's a new poll. In cases like this only: A child was abused by his/her parents, and so the parents were taken to jail. The cops take the kid to the hospital and then when released from hospital to the police station. It's a rural area, and children services should take four hours to get there. There's nowhere to put the kid but in the police station.

The kid is NOT a runaway or a troublemaker. He/she is not out of control, and never broke the law.

If it was up to you, if you were the decision maker and the law allowed it, would you allow the cops to lock up the kid in a holding cell in the police station, alone, all by himself, until a social worker arrived, or would you demand the kid will not be locked up while waiting in the police station? Wait in the police station, but not in a locked cell.


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02 Feb 2015, 11:27 am

I think it's terrible to lock up an abused child if they haven't done anything wrong. It would give them the impression that they're in trouble, and give them an unwarranted mental scar. I think they should wait in the police station, but with somebody by them to check if they are okay.


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02 Feb 2015, 11:29 am

54together wrote:
I think it's terrible to lock up an abused child if they haven't done anything wrong. It would give them the impression that they're in trouble, and give them an unwarranted mental scar. I think they should wait in the police station, but with somebody by them to check if they are okay.

I agree.



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02 Feb 2015, 11:35 am

felinesaresuperior wrote:
I posted this question before, but then I learned from a legal forum that it was my mistake: minor victims of abuse can only be locked up if they are runaways or acting in a way that will endanger them or others. Locking up a kid just because he's a victim of abuse is illegal.

However, forty four percent of those who answered the poll on various forums voted it's ok to lock up a kid. Now I wonder if it was because they meant a runaway or otherwise troublemaker kid. This left me curious to know how people feel, what people want.

So, here's a new poll. In cases like this only: A child was abused by his/her parents, and so the parents were taken to jail. The cops take the kid to the hospital and then when released from hospital to the police station. It's a rural area, and children services should take four hours to get there. There's nowhere to put the kid but in the police station.

The kid is NOT a runaway or a troublemaker. He/she is not out of control, and never broke the law.

If it was up to you, if you were the decision maker and the law allowed it, would you allow the cops to lock up the kid in a holding cell in the police station, alone, all by himself, until a social worker arrived, or would you demand the kid will not be locked up while waiting in the police station? Wait in the police station, but not in a locked cell.


I live in a rural area and know the nearest state employee who would deal with abused kids. From her home to the sheriff's office is 15 miles. I can't imagine it taking her four hours to travel anywhere in her service area.



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02 Feb 2015, 11:49 am

My friend's mom used to work as a police dispatcher in a small town back in the late seventies and early eighties while she was going to school for nursing. I heard they had a couple kids like you're talking about in this post at the station, but they didn't lock them up in a cell while they waited. I don't know if that's a matter of time or place. I do think that's closer to the right solution though.



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02 Feb 2015, 1:02 pm

I imagine locking them in a cell would just further traumatize them, why couldn't they just sit at the police station while waiting for child services without being 'locked up' as to me that seems cruel and unnecessary, same with if they simply ran away due to trying to get away from abuse....a jail cell is not appropriate in either of those cases. In fact that should only be used when someone commits a crime and is under arrest for said crime, like if the kid tried robbing someone with a weapon or something as being abused does not excuse that sort of thing.


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02 Feb 2015, 1:10 pm

TheAP wrote:
54together wrote:
I think it's terrible to lock up an abused child if they haven't done anything wrong. It would give them the impression that they're in trouble, and give them an unwarranted mental scar. I think they should wait in the police station, but with somebody by them to check if they are okay.

I agree.


I agree with the above two members.


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03 Feb 2015, 10:53 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
I imagine locking them in a cell would just further traumatize them, why couldn't they just sit at the police station while waiting for child services without being 'locked up' as to me that seems cruel and unnecessary, same with if they simply ran away due to trying to get away from abuse....a jail cell is not appropriate in either of those cases. In fact that should only be used when someone commits a crime and is under arrest for said crime, like if the kid tried robbing someone with a weapon or something as being abused does not excuse that sort of thing.


would you believe i posted this same question in an nt forum, and 30% wrote the kid should be locked up, and the cops allowed to call cps whenver they want, not necessarily immediately, but whenever they feel like it.

i do believe aspies have more empathy than nts. also i asked about using a kill or non-kill mouse trap, and aspies went much more for the non-kill than nts on another forum.


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03 Feb 2015, 3:40 pm

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and 30% wrote the kid should be locked up, and the cops allowed to call cps whenver they want, not necessarily immediately, but whenever they feel like it.


That's really scary. Those people are what's wrong with the world.



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03 Feb 2015, 4:18 pm

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and 30% wrote the kid should be locked up, and the cops allowed to call cps whenver they want, not necessarily immediately, but whenever they feel like it.


That's really scary. Those people are what's wrong with the world.


i agree, and what's even more scary: i made a poll about judge Rotenburg center and wrote all about the torture going on there. and 15% wrote not to punish those abusers. beside that, 10% more wrote to fire with no jail time. and this after i posted that horrible video about a kid being shocked for not taking off his coat, and wrote about some kids had died in this house of horror. some of the answers were that it's ok to use shock therapy on kids against their will. people actually wrote this, and that it's not right to call this torture, and what's the big deal about shock therapy. that kind of thing. we're living in a sick society.


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03 Feb 2015, 4:54 pm

I wanted to vote to lock the parents/abusers up, but you seem to have left it off your poll?



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04 Feb 2015, 2:27 am

No absolutely not. For that 4 hours the police are the child's legal guardian and custodian. Would it be perfectly ok for any other type of guardian such as a foster parent, teacher or daycarer to confine the kid in a cage? No. That's considered abuse in itself.

Surely the police aren't THAT busy. Get a constable or two to entertain the kid with some TV or colouring in, maybe even let the kid help themselves to someones desk space to sit. Putting them in a cell is just lazy because they can't be arsed supervising them properly (like a guardian should).



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04 Feb 2015, 3:27 am

Nambo wrote:
I wanted to vote to lock the parents/abusers up, but you seem to have left it off your poll?


of course! the abusers should be locked up for the longest time. tougher punishment is needed for child abusers. and for animals abusers as well.


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04 Feb 2015, 5:18 am

Who in their right mind would lock up the VICTIM of a crime, rather than the perpetrator? I say the law needs to get tough on parents who abuse their kids, because abuse seriously screws people up, and kids who are abused growing up often end up become abusers themselves, perpetuating the cycle.



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04 Feb 2015, 5:48 am

Usually they try and place them with relatives, and if thats not possible they place them in foster care. If they go to the hospital then they can keep them there for the few hours or even overnight until the foster parents or the relatives can come pick them up from there. They can watch tv or play with toys or read, and hospitals usually have at least one of those things.

If they can't be picked up at the hospital for whatever reason, then the police or someone from social services can take them from the hospital to the relative's house if they live within a reasonable distance or to the foster family's home.

I don't think I've ever heard of abused children being locked in a jail cell unless they were being disruptive or something similar. Also, kids under about 16 are usually not locked up in the adult jail cells, they are taken to juvenile holding, which is different.

I think having them wait at the hospital is perfectly acceptable. It's probably better than waiting in the waiting area of the police station.


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04 Feb 2015, 5:58 am

Nambo wrote:
I wanted to vote to lock the parents/abusers up, but you seem to have left it off your poll?



The title of this thread does strike a reader as being curiously ass-backward, and confusing .

"Should the VICTMS of abuse be locked up?"

I guess the OP is starting "in the middle of the story" after the perps have already been locked up, and now that the kid has parents who are locked up the cops have to figure out what to do with the kid.

I guess- let the kid hangout in the precinct break room and watch TV until the social workers get there.