I wish life had never existed in the Universe

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25 Sep 2015, 1:42 am

In the context of the Universe, life has no meaning, purpose or justification. If life had never existed, there would have been no suffering.


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25 Sep 2015, 2:52 am

Yeah, If life had never existed there were no suffering, no hurt or pain.
But I'd rather be suffered by life than leaving people who love me and who I love.
And I believe sufferings can have positive purpose if I see that way..

I hope you feel better soon.


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25 Sep 2015, 3:11 am

Sure, there would be no suffering, but with life there might as well not be a universe as all because there is no other experience of any sort either.


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25 Sep 2015, 5:15 am

Suffering is necessary.
Without suffering, how would we measure happiness?


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25 Sep 2015, 6:22 am

I had a thought yesterday tangentially related to this: If life has a purpose, then to understand that purpose would be to diminish or destroy that purpose. I mean just thinking about it, I cannot conceive of any one answer to the question of the meaning of life that does not leave me wanting for more somehow.

But, if life never existed, there would be no joy or wonder either.



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25 Sep 2015, 6:24 am

If life never existed anywhere in the universe, it would be a really f*****g boring view.



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25 Sep 2015, 7:27 am

ProbablyOverthinkingThisUsername wrote:
I had a thought yesterday tangentially related to this: If life has a purpose, then to understand that purpose would be to diminish or destroy that purpose. I mean just thinking about it, I cannot conceive of any one answer to the question of the meaning of life that does not leave me wanting for more somehow.

But, if life never existed, there would be no joy or wonder either.


I want to feed that tangent: I've come to the conclusion that life "means" whatever an individual wants it to mean. I am sometimes perplexed by some people's sweaty pursuit of "the meaning of life" because I'm inherently satisfied with the various points of view that suggest that the purpose of life is, basically, to live it, and live it well (though people will argue about the definition of "well" forever). I don't disagree at all with appreciating something greater than oneself, or believe that any individual should follow their every whim, and I don't see a problem with pondering the meaning of life to some degree, but when I see people dismayed and struggling desperately to find a satisfying answer, I wish I could ease that suffering.

I don't see any benefit in wallowing in the mud if you don't want to, and I know it's not always as easy as it might sound (yes, I've suffered with clinical depression, and I know people who apparently get a real kick out of being miserable), but if a person is able to get out of an unpleasant state in a healthy, responsible manner, they shouldn't let anything hold them back from it. Let the Bible-thumpers cherish their Original Sin mindset if they wish, but don't embrace the Hell they hold so dear.



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25 Sep 2015, 10:36 am

DailyPoutine1 wrote:
If life never existed anywhere in the universe, it would be a really f*****g boring view.


Except noöne would be there to get bored seeing it.


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25 Sep 2015, 10:37 am

Spiderpig wrote:
DailyPoutine1 wrote:
If life never existed anywhere in the universe, it would be a really f*****g boring view.


Except noöne would be there to get bored seeing it.

Thats the thing.



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25 Sep 2015, 11:49 am

i wish that i had never existed in the universe. then the rest of it would be not my problem.


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26 Sep 2015, 1:21 pm

boredome wrote:
i wish that i had never existed in the universe. then the rest of it would be not my problem.

Arguably the rest of it isn't your problem now. You really only have yourself to look after.



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28 Sep 2015, 6:17 am

Drawyer wrote:
Yeah, If life had never existed there were no suffering, no hurt or pain.
But I'd rather be suffered by life than leaving people who love me and who I love.
And I believe sufferings can have positive purpose if I see that way..

I hope you feel better soon.

I'm not feeling bad, but there is lots of suffering in the world.
I was not talking about suicide. When you die, awareness immediately skips to a new consciousness. If there was no life, there would be no consciousness.


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28 Sep 2015, 1:11 pm

Cockroach96 wrote:
When you die, awareness immediately skips to a new consciousness.


How do you know that?


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28 Sep 2015, 1:31 pm

It's the most naturalistic explanation. Death and birth are two sides of the same coin.


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28 Sep 2015, 11:14 pm

Cockroach96 wrote:
It's the most naturalistic explanation. Death and birth are two sides of the same coin.


That's a philosophy/hypothesis, not a fact.