Do we seem to emotionaly invest in pets more heavily ?

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09 Apr 2017, 9:32 am

I had a cat die when I was 13 or so carried on about it for to long and to intensely . Don't really like cats these days they don't like you the way a dog does. Not a pack animal and all that . Anyhow pet deaths how do you go with that ?



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09 Apr 2017, 8:46 pm

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... they don't like you the way a dog does.
"The way a dog does" is the key part of that. They have a different way of being than dogs. Very different. For one example, staring in to a dog's eyes is generally understood to be a challenge; but with cats it is a sign of interest, and likely originating in how cats study situations and conditions since they need to grasp the details of those in order to be successful at hunting.

But, yeah, different people have different natural connections with different animals. And it is not odd to have a deep emotional connection - loss of connection hurts, we are beings made for connection.

A couple things from a really good cat blog I happened across a couple years ago.

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From the world of science comes a wonderful study, http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 5716303424 Social interaction, food, scent or toys? A formal assessment of domestic pet and shelter cat (Felis silvestris catus) preferences.
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social interaction with humans was the most-preferred stimulus category for the majority of cats
Thank you, Science!
http://www.wayofcats.com/blog/science-s ... ople/37144

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What does it mean? It means our cats often create their own special closeness language.

We can feel that lap-catedness is the highest expression of love. Or perhaps cradling our cat like an infant. Or being able to scoop them up and hug them. But this might not be the way our cat understands love.

Cats who are not fond of the overwhelming gesture might never be happy with such handling. But that doesn’t mean they don’t love us. They will come up with something that shows their deep and sincere affection. They might lie next to our leg, as so many cats of mine have done. They might make a fuss when we leave. They might wait by the door for us to come home.

Take these messages seriously.

http://www.wayofcats.com/blog/love-without-words/33614

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In the great dog/cat debate, I can be neutral. Because I love them both, and I’ve had them both.

It really shouldn’t be a debate at all. Cats and dogs are different kinds of pets, for different purposes. We can figure out our favorite activities, and decide if we want our pet to join us in it.

I see dogs and cats as having different jobs.

http://www.wayofcats.com/blog/cat-affec ... -out/32836

And from my decades with dogs, then cats, this makes sense,
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The trouble is, cats aren’t naturally solitary. We just assumed they were based on observations of European wildcats - but housecats aren’t descended from European wildcats. They’re descended from African wildcats, which are known to hunt in bonded pairs and family groupings, and that social tendency is even stronger in their domesticated relatives. The natural social unit of the housecat is a colony: a loose affiliation of cats centred around a shared territory held by alliance of dominant females, who raise all of the colony’s kittens communally.

It’s often remarked that dogs understand that humans are different, while cats just think humans are big, clumsy cats, and that’s totally true - but they regard us as adult colonymates, not as kittens, and all of their social behaviour toward us makes a lot more sense through that lens.

http://prokopetz.tumblr.com/post/146711 ... ns-are-big

And after that, I could tell dog and cat stories all evening about the ones who have been in my life :lol:


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09 Apr 2017, 9:04 pm

roger199 wrote:
I had a cat die when I was 13 or so carried on about it for to long and to intensely . Don't really like cats these days they don't like you the way a dog does. Not a pack animal and all that . Anyhow pet deaths how do you go with that ?


Well my cat of 14 years his name was Peter Pan never came back home one day, I always figured when it was his time he'd just leave...he was an outdoor/indoor cat. Basically came in and out whenever he wanted, I had this cat for most of my childhood and through multiple moves across states. But yeah you couldn't put a collar on him he'd take it off, you couldn't keep him inside he wanted to go out so we had to let him be his wild self.

But after 14 long years, he left and I never saw him again...I mean I sometimes feel bad that maybe I should have tried harder looking for him instead of submitting to the reality he was gone as soon as I did, or that he might have lived longer if I hadn't decided to go far away for college and instead had stuck around and just gone to community college. So yeah I've certainly taken it hard and sometimes still cry about it, I mean he was my cat for 14 years...but I guess I am still glad he died on his own rather than being put down. Being hauled off to an animal hospital to be euthanized would have been a very traumatic way for him to die, he always hated going to the vet with a passion.


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10 Apr 2017, 5:55 am

Can't say domesticated cats gone feral seem sociable towards each other possibly different prey items ,forcing different hunting strategies ,social structures ? Each to there own as a lazy person I see the upside hygiene wise for cats ,not having to pick up mountains of crap . Wouldn't mind if both lots had to be bred by licensed breeders . Thinking more on the prey items we have feral rabbits in Australia that would seem to give advantage to pair hunting which I haven't observed or heard of . Then again if they go down the rabbit warrens and just grab a baby rabbit maybe there less likely to get injured a rabbit seems on the cusp safety wise for a cat . Anyhow feral cats don't seem social.



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10 Apr 2017, 9:12 am

Any time a pet passes, it affects me deeply. My cats live quite a long time, so they are an integral part of the family. When Peter passed away at 18, it affected me deeply.



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11 Apr 2017, 8:28 am

I think cats are becoming more attached to their owners because their owners actually spend more time with them. It wasn't that long ago that when couples would ask each other "Honey, did you put the cat out for the night?" while the dog got to stay indoors all curled up nice and cozy. My younger cat is VERY friendly and affectionate and loves attention. My older cat is more independent but enjoys being petted and cuddled when in the mood. In fact if turn away, she'll tap me on the arm with her paw and demand I pet her some more!



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11 Apr 2017, 9:33 am

This may be bad. But when I hear that dogs died and things like that. I get more sad than if I heard or read that a person died. That's because I love dogs. I honestly think they're better than people. They don't say rude and mean things to you. They don't make fun of you that you're autistic and annoying. And accepts you and loves you for the way you are. And the 2 only movies I've ever cried were both dog movies and those were Marley and Me and My Dog Skip. I don't get sad when a person dies in a movie or show.



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11 Apr 2017, 12:20 pm

I think that's honest and quite relatable to me .Watch the lives of people with social skills . Their bonds are rarely as deep as they make out .



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11 Apr 2017, 12:56 pm

roger199 wrote:
I think that's honest and quite relatable to me .Watch the lives of people with social skills . Their bonds are rarely as deep as they make out .

They make out? What do you mean by that?



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11 Apr 2017, 7:15 pm

They act like .



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12 Apr 2017, 8:18 am

roger199 wrote:
They act like .

Oh. I just thought it was something I just never got how deep something was. Yeah it seems like dogs just don't care that your weird and different. They don't make fun of you or even realize that you're different from other people. That's part of the reason why I love them more than people.