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23 May 2007, 7:08 am

I've mastered the art of extremely moving both of my eyes inwards, and I've also just learnt how to move one inwards with the other staying in it's place. Yay! I've been practising that for the past few days LOL

I also want to learn to move my eyes outwards. :D



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23 May 2007, 7:12 am

I can't do that...



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23 May 2007, 7:24 am

Mushroom wrote:
I've been practising that for the past few days LOL

Why? why do you wish to master something like that, it's disgusting :)



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23 May 2007, 7:55 am

she's an artist you wouldn't understand



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23 May 2007, 8:04 am

Good...now you must learn to petrify people with a piercing gaze; solidify them to stone with a suffering stare.



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23 May 2007, 9:19 am

Hi, Mushroom

Cool! So, what do you see when you move one eye and leave the other still? A blur of what both eyes are seeing, or mainly an image from whichever eye is dominant? If the second, is your dominant eye on the same side as your dominant hand? This is interesting.



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23 May 2007, 9:36 am

Can ya beat this?
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23 May 2007, 9:42 am

KaliMa wrote:
Hi, Mushroom

Cool! So, what do you see when you move one eye and leave the other still? A blur of what both eyes are seeing, or mainly an image from whichever eye is dominant? If the second, is your dominant eye on the same side as your dominant hand? This is interesting.


My cousin who is a neuroscientist did research on eye dominance. She found most if not all have a dominant eye but in certain states such as when she tested meditating Buddhist monks they can loose all dominance.



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23 May 2007, 9:50 am

Thanks, 0_equals_true!



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23 May 2007, 9:52 am

BigT wrote:
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I can. 8)

Actually no I cannot.



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23 May 2007, 10:04 am

tomamil wrote:
Mushroom wrote:
I've been practising that for the past few days LOL

Why? why do you wish to master something like that, it's disgusting :)


I like disgusting tricks. ;)

Sopho: To cross both of your eyes you can put your index finger on your nose and look at it. Crossing one eye is harder. Once you've mastered crossing both of your eyes, cross them and then try to move one while keeping the other in its place.

Daniel: I'd have to insert petrifying potion into my eye first. :P

KaliMa: I'm left-eyed and I can cross my left eye better... but I see double and blurry when I do it, but the doubles don't have a lot of distance between them, as opposed to when I cross my eyes completely.

BigT: I'll try that if I ever tire of seeing the world and want to tear my nerves and become blind LOL

0_equals_true: I've read that about 2/3rd of people are right-eyed, about 1/3rd left-eyed and a small minority ambiocular. But that's interesting... do they regain their dominance after their meditating is done?

Here's my proof for anyone who wants to see... my eyes, normally and crossed respectively:

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23 May 2007, 11:12 am

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0_equals_true: I've read that about 2/3rd of people are right-eyed, about 1/3rd left-eyed and a small minority ambiocular. But that's interesting... do they regain their dominance after their meditating is done?

This test with done with different visuals paired for each eye. It showed that pretty much always there was a dominant eye though I'm not sure if it was the same eye each time.



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23 May 2007, 11:22 am

I haven't described it properly

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Other researchers found evidence that meditation can increase attention skills and the ability to stabilize the mind. “Our results support the claim that training in meditation can have a real and measurable effect on an individual’s conscious state,” says Olivia Carter, PhD, of Harvard University. “Although the current study provides no direct evidence that meditation will help alleviate the symptoms of depression or stress, the findings are consistent with reports that experienced meditators are able to control and direct the focus of their attention towards a positive and calm state, in a manner that may help reduce symptoms of stress and depression.”

In the study, Carter and her colleagues examined 76 Tibetan Buddhist monks who had attained meditative training ranging from 5 to 54 years. She examined the ability of meditation to alter their conscious perception using a measure called perceptual rivalry—a visual illusion that is one of the most commonly used tools in scientific studies of consciousness. Perceptual rivalry refers to oscillations in visual perception that can occur during sustained viewing of ambiguous visual stimuli. One famous example involves an image that can be perceived as either two faces or a vase. When this image is viewed the observer’s conscious experience will generally switch between the two “competing” interpretations of the image. Only one of the two images will be consciously perceived at any given moment, while the non-dominant image will be totally suppressed from consciousness. After a few seconds, the relative dominance of the two images will then switch. The neural events underlying perceptual rivalry are not well understood, but are thought to involve mechanisms within the brain that regulate attention and conscious awareness.

The monks perceptual experience of visual rivalry was tested during two types of meditation: a “compassion”-oriented meditation, described as a contemplation of suffering within the world combined with an emanation of loving kindness, and “one-point” meditation, described as the maintained focus of attention on a single object or thought that leads to a stability and clarity of mind. “We found that increases in the durations of perceptual dominance were experienced by monks practicing one-point meditation, but not compassion meditation,” says Carter.

In a different test of perceptual rivalry called motion induced blindness, in this case prior to any meditation, the duration of stable perception experienced by monks averaged 4.1 seconds, compared to 2.6 seconds for meditation-naïve control participants. “Remarkably, when instructed to actively maintain the duration of perceptual stability, one of the monks who studied mediation for many years could maintain a constant visual perception during this test for 723 seconds,” says Carter. “The findings suggest that processes particularly associated with one-point meditation, perhaps involving intense attentional focus and the ability to stabilize the mind, contribute to the prolonged rivalry dominance experienced by the monks.”



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23 May 2007, 11:25 pm

My father has a "lazy" eye and I always thought that was interesting.

I learned how to cross my eyes at a young age (spent a lot of time practicing).

When I learned how to cross one eye and keep the other'n straight, I focused my crossed eyes on my finger and slowly moved the finger to directly in front of one of my eyes. With enough practice I was able to do it without using something to focus on.

Crossed-Eyes are awesome... especially when it grosses-out someone else.

Don't know how to put pictures in with this post (tried to put my eyes here). Will add pictures when I figure it out.



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24 May 2007, 1:48 am

0_equals_true: interesting... so that means that even non-monks switch eye dominance, but monks switch it less/in bigger intervals. I've seen some of those perceptual rivalries... next time I see one I'll see how long I can keep dominance. :)

Boof: I used finger support for crossing both of my eyes but not for crossing one eye. Since you seem to be more of an expert than me in this subject, I have a question for you. Do you know how to wall your eyes, as well?



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24 May 2007, 2:28 am

Mushroom wrote:
Daniel: I'd have to insert petrifying potion into my eye first. :P


Ah...that's why I've constantly failed; I was hoping that you would have succeeded where I failed and hopefully reveal the secret Gorgon martial technique to me. :)

Speaking of dominant eyes:

I can switch which eye is dominant at will whilst both are open...I noticed this back in the day when I was a competitive pistol shooter (IDPA), I know this isn’t viewing a “shape”; but I found it helpful when leaning out from cover/concealment from both sides.

For those whom know..., is this normal or not?

(Just FYI, I can also cross my eyes with no difficulty; I don’t even need to focus on an external source -- I cannot move one in whilst the other is out though.... I might practice this, like Mushroom said.)