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09 Sep 2017, 4:53 pm

These things, supposed to be a safety device, have actually hurt many people.



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09 Sep 2017, 4:56 pm

I was alarmed to read that using my fourby as a fourby, i.e. four wheel driving, could activate the airbags.
WTF?


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10 Sep 2017, 5:52 pm

They hurt people because they do stupid stunts with em like these :arrow:


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26 Sep 2017, 3:54 pm

Yeah, I don't really know about airbags. Kids can't even ride up front any more, even if they get violently motion sick in the back seat, because of air bags. That must be fun for the parents, too. :roll: I think seat belts have saved a lot of people's lives, but I heard airbags kill a lot more people than they save.

And those harnesses for dogs in the car that supposedly act like seat belts are no help at all in a crash. I saw it in a video where they were crash-testing with dog dummies. About as effective as a strand of spaghetti. 8O



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26 Sep 2017, 4:10 pm

Found this, http://emj.bmj.com/content/19/6/490

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Injuries associated with airbag deployment
L A Wallis1, I Greaves2
Derriford Hospital, Plymouth, UK
Peterborough District Hospital, Peterborough, UK

Injury prevention is an increasingly important component of healthcare policy in many developed countries, especially where limited resources are an important constraint. It is a stated aim of the United Kingdom government, for example, to reduce trauma deaths among children and young adults by 20% (from 1996 levels) by 2010.1 The commonest cause of such deaths in the UK is motor vehicle crashes (MVC), and the same is true of the United States of America.2 In the UK in 1996, 250 000 MVC victims attended hospital and 3000 of them died.1

In both the UK and USA, the number of car users who have been killed or seriously injured has fallen over the past 30 years despite huge increases in the volume of traffic (R Cuerden, et al, 63rd Road safety conference, 1998). There have been many national programmes over the years to effect this reduction: useful strategies have included rigorous enforcement of speed limits, compulsory seat belt wearing and, more recently, the introduction of airbags into vehicles. Although correctly fitted three point seat belts have been shown to be safer than airbags,4 there is no doubt that airbags in themselves reduce deaths.3 If both devices are used together, further reductions in mortality are to be expected.
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The first case report of an airbag associated fatality in the UK was published in 2000.6 In the USA, where airbags are larger and more powerful and seat belt law varies from state to state, airbag related deaths and injuries are more common.


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26 Sep 2017, 4:12 pm

And this, https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/AB0707

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COUNTS OF
FRONTAL AIR BAG RELATED
FATALITIES AND SERIOUSLY
INJURED PERSONS
REPORT DATE:
July
1, 2007
U.S.
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION
NATIONAL
CENTER FOR STATISTICS AND ANALYSIS
CRASH INVESTIGATION DIVISION
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20590


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26 Sep 2017, 4:15 pm

my car doesn't have them and i feel just safe without them. it's the seatbelts that get me, they're the automatic shoulder belts with manual lap belt type, and on more than a couple of occasions they've failed to tense up during hard braking.

oh well. i'm in that car almost $4000.

even if it did have airbags it wouldn't be any safer. there could be a risk of self deployment at that ripe old age of 27.



Raleigh wrote:
I was alarmed to read that using my fourby as a fourby, i.e. four wheel driving, could activate the airbags.
WTF?


that's why they usually have a switch to turn them off. for that reason.


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26 Sep 2017, 4:19 pm

Since I wear glasses I was wondering about that,
:arrow: :arrow: :arrow: And note, article is about forensics and covers lots of fatalities and injuries, with photographs of some.

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"Specific Injury Patterns Ocular
The eye is extremely vulnerable to air bag-induced injury. These injuries range from corneal abrasions from contact with the air bag, chemical burns from contact with unburned sodium azide, to retinal detachment and globe rupture from the blunt force trauma of the expanding bag (Fig. 3). The wearing of eyeglasses in some cases has proven to be of benefit, as it offers a degree of barrier protection between the eye and the deploying bag."

http://what-when-how.com/forensic-sciences/airbag-related-injuries-and-deaths/


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26 Sep 2017, 4:25 pm

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even if it did have airbags it wouldn't be any safer. there could be a risk of self deployment at that ripe old age of 27.?
My van is 1996 and that is a concern.
But the government says it is illegal to deactivate the airbag & the government's Social Security Disability doesn't pay me enough to buy a new car. Just WTF exactly does the government want here?


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27 Sep 2017, 12:21 am

put in a new steering wheel? :|


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27 Sep 2017, 9:41 am

The whole Takada airbag thing certainly doesn't help matters.


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27 Sep 2017, 9:49 am

Kiprobalhato wrote:
put in a new steering wheel? :|
Thing is, how many brand new steering wheel/airbag assemblies are being made for a 21 year old van?


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