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12 Dec 2017, 5:19 am



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13 Dec 2017, 4:51 am

I don't believe that being 'incapable of cruelty', automatically, makes a person a 'victim'. Just as I don't believe that a person with psychopathic brain wiring is, automatically, destined to do harm. Nor, do I believe that all narcissistic people have an interest in punishing or retaliating, for ego-injuries they might sustain. I don't want to change who I am, nor my outlook on the world. The more experience and awareness I acquire, the more resilient I become. I want to understand and get on with all people, if I am able, irrespective of another's personality, mental challenges, etcetera. (while avoiding harm/abuse).



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13 Dec 2017, 9:47 am

Kelby wrote:
I don't believe that being 'incapable of cruelty', automatically, makes a person a 'victim'. Just as I don't believe that a person with psychopathic brain wiring is, automatically, destined to do harm. Nor, do I believe that all narcissistic people have an interest in punishing or retaliating, for ego-injuries they might sustain. I don't want to change who I am, nor my outlook on the world. The more experience and awareness I acquire, the more resilient I become. I want to understand and get on with all people, if I am able, irrespective of another's personality, mental challenges, etcetera. (while avoiding harm/abuse).


But how would you defend yourself against narissistic bastards if you were incapable of cruelty?
I dislike cruelty btw. But one should defend himself and those who are weaker. So then we should be capable of cruelty towards people who harm defendless inossent people..
Believe me there are people that you would not like to know. I dont think that sadists deserve any mercy.



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13 Dec 2017, 9:49 am

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13 Dec 2017, 2:53 pm

I prefer nice guys over douchebags.


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13 Dec 2017, 7:03 pm

HughDYork wrote:
Kelby wrote:
I don't believe that being 'incapable of cruelty', automatically, makes a person a 'victim'. Just as I don't believe that a person with psychopathic brain wiring is, automatically, destined to do harm. Nor, do I believe that all narcissistic people have an interest in punishing or retaliating, for ego-injuries they might sustain. I don't want to change who I am, nor my outlook on the world. The more experience and awareness I acquire, the more resilient I become. I want to understand and get on with all people, if I am able, irrespective of another's personality, mental challenges, etcetera. (while avoiding harm/abuse).


But how would you defend yourself against narissistic bastards if you were incapable of cruelty?
I dislike cruelty btw. But one should defend himself and those who are weaker. So then we should be capable of cruelty towards people who harm defendless inossent people..
Believe me there are people that you would not like to know. I dont think that sadists deserve any mercy.


I've learned that I am unable to defend myself against certain types of people, as, I am incapable of lying, deception, spreading false information, harming others for my own means to an end - all of which would need to be done, in any match with a person who possesses the afformentioned abilities. I would need to go against my own character. Is it actually, possible to simply, decide to do this? I am curious. I know I cannot.

Protecting oneself and others, does not need to stem from, or come in the form of 'cruelty', in my opining. Your points and your conviction, however, are well taken, and make sense. I'd like to learn 'offensive'/preventative strategies, if possible. I did spend a few months around a sadist, a few years, ago, although, I wasn't aware that he was, until a situation occurred of which exposed his true nature. Anyway, I guess what I'm saying is that I can't see becoming someone I'm not, nor, replacing my true character, with the character of a person who can be cruel or intentionally, abusive.



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13 Dec 2017, 7:11 pm

What people mean by not being the nice guy is being able to say no, because people can turn you into a worse person than what you are by saying yes to everyone. Someone says go smoke some drugs with them or go be my getaway car to help me out and you say yes to be nice and your life spirals down when you try to be nice to everyone next by saying yes to everything.

I think we should instead of saying don't be the nice guy, don't be the gullible jovial guy.