Why are European cities both denser and safer

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27 Oct 2019, 10:19 pm

What are the major differences between American cities...
Los Angeles
San Francisco
Denver
Salt Lake City

Chicago
Indianapolis
Detroit
Minneapolis

Houston
Dallas
Little Rock
Oklahoma City
Memphis
Nashville
Fayetteville
Charleston
Richmond
Miami
Tampa
Jacksonville
Atlanta

Boston
Hartford
Providence
Buffalo
New York City
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh...

What are the major differences between cities like these....

And cities like..

London
Paris
Lyon
Hamburg
Berlin
Geneva
Rome



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27 Oct 2019, 10:29 pm

Are they really safer or is that just a myth? I think any large city with too many people living together puts you at a vulnerable risk for getting hurt.

There's truly no such thing as security in this world. It's an illusion. "A lock only keeps an honest man honest".



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27 Oct 2019, 10:43 pm

I'd like to hear more about the "no go zones" in many European cities.



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27 Oct 2019, 11:07 pm

TW1ZTY wrote:
Are they really safer or is that just a myth? I think any large city with too many people living together puts you at a vulnerable risk for getting hurt.

There's truly no such thing as security in this world. It's an illusion. "A lock only keeps an honest man honest".


There is no myth...
They're much safer.
In fact not even social ills hit the poor there as hard ..
I have seen a happily married family, on welfare there, while looking for work.



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27 Oct 2019, 11:09 pm

Ace33 wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Are they really safer or is that just a myth? I think any large city with too many people living together puts you at a vulnerable risk for getting hurt.

There's truly no such thing as security in this world. It's an illusion. "A lock only keeps an honest man honest".


There is no myth...
They're much safer.


Yeah, I do not believe that for one second. Every country has its share of criminals.



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27 Oct 2019, 11:14 pm

TW1ZTY wrote:
Ace33 wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Are they really safer or is that just a myth? I think any large city with too many people living together puts you at a vulnerable risk for getting hurt.

There's truly no such thing as security in this world. It's an illusion. "A lock only keeps an honest man honest".


There is no myth...
They're much safer.


Yeah, I do not believe that for one second. Every country has its share of criminals.



You're right..
Every country does have its share of criminals.
America has a grossly out of the norm share by international standards, amongst first World countries.



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27 Oct 2019, 11:18 pm

TW1ZTY wrote:
Ace33 wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Ace33 wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Are they really safer or is that just a myth? I think any large city with too many people living together puts you at a vulnerable risk for getting hurt.

There's truly no such thing as security in this world. It's an illusion. "A lock only keeps an honest man honest".


There is no myth...
They're much safer.


Yeah, I do not believe that for one second. Every country has its share of criminals.



Philadelphia has over 350 murders per year now...
It is beginning to seriously rival early 20th century murder rates which were much higher than in modern times..
Philadelphia is starting to rival it.



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27 Oct 2019, 11:21 pm

Ace33 wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Ace33 wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Ace33 wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Are they really safer or is that just a myth? I think any large city with too many people living together puts you at a vulnerable risk for getting hurt.

There's truly no such thing as security in this world. It's an illusion. "A lock only keeps an honest man honest".


There is no myth...
They're much safer.


Yeah, I do not believe that for one second. Every country has its share of criminals.




Philadelphia has over 350 murders per year now...
It is beginning to seriously rival early 20th century murder rates which were much higher than in modern times..
Philadelphia is starting to rival it.
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.. if you want to talk facts I got one for you. In countries where guns are outlawed (like England) you have more stabbing-related crimes than you do shooting crimes.



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27 Oct 2019, 11:23 pm

TW1ZTY wrote:
Ace33 wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Ace33 wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Ace33 wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Are they really safer or is that just a myth? I think any large city with too many people living together puts you at a vulnerable risk for getting hurt.

There's truly no such thing as security in this world. It's an illusion. "A lock only keeps an honest man honest".


There is no myth...
They're much safer.


Yeah, I do not believe that for one second. Every country has its share of criminals.




Philadelphia has over 350 murders per year now...
It is beginning to seriously rival early 20th century murder rates which were much higher than in modern times..
Philadelphia is starting to rival it.
.




if you want to talk facts I got one for you. In countries where guns are outlawed (like England) you have more stabbing-related crimes than you do shooting crimes.


That's simply untrue.
More stabbings do occur, sure...
But the number of stabbings is nothing compared to American shootings...

Because for the most part, violent crime is a cowards vice..
And stabbing is a lot more personal and more fool prone.
A lot more defenses against it exists.

Your risk of being stabbed while trying to stab is a lot more.



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28 Oct 2019, 1:48 am

You can generally walk through most no go zones here in Europe, provided that you don't look wealthy, look like you know where you are going and keep yourself to yourself. (That's been my experience as a white adult guy).

At weekends, Club closing time ie 1.30am in a city center can look like more like a war zone. I'd rather take my chances walking through a so called "ghetto".

Living in a deprived area requires a lot more resilience than passing through. For those growing up in a deprived area, steering clear of trouble is harder still. I would think that those people are most at risk.



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28 Oct 2019, 2:16 am

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You can generally walk through most no go zones here in Europe, provided that you don't look wealthy, look like you know where you are going and keep yourself to yourself. (That's been my experience as a white adult guy).

At weekends, Club closing time ie 1.30am in a city center can look like more like a war zone. I'd rather take my chances walking through a so called "ghetto".

Living in a deprived area requires a lot more resilience than passing through. For those growing up in a deprived area, steering clear of trouble is harder still. I would think that those people are most at risk.

I agree, when you look just... average, you cross any district of an European city at any time and no one cares. I have done it lots of times, one pickpocketing and one unsuccessful attempted robbery in my whole life history, both outside the "bad" districts.
I've also experienced living in a not-so-good neighborhood. I got out as soon as I could because I simply didn't belong there - but when it comes to safety, as my mother expressed it - local lowlives say good evening to her because they know she knows their mothers. When something was stolen from us, our neighbor knew where to go and what to say to get it back. I hated living there because of low tolerance for my quirks but most people were generally okay and you didn't have to be in any gang to have a peaceful life.


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28 Oct 2019, 2:25 am

TW1ZTY wrote:
And if you want to talk facts I got one for you. In countries where guns are outlawed (like England) you have more stabbing-related crimes than you do shooting crimes.


It is actually possible for a UK citizen to acquire a gun but the laws for gun ownership are much stricter over here than they are in the US. For example, you can own sporting rifles and shotguns but handguns are illegal. Even with shotguns and rifles, you are only allowed certain types of firearm and you need to have licenses and other documentation before you can get one. For those reasons, aside from the authorities, it’s usually only members of shooting clubs and farmers who have guns in the UK.



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28 Oct 2019, 2:48 am

magz wrote:
domineekee wrote:
You can generally walk through most no go zones here in Europe, provided that you don't look wealthy, look like you know where you are going and keep yourself to yourself. (That's been my experience as a white adult guy).

At weekends, Club closing time ie 1.30am in a city center can look like more like a war zone. I'd rather take my chances walking through a so called "ghetto".

Living in a deprived area requires a lot more resilience than passing through. For those growing up in a deprived area, steering clear of trouble is harder still. I would think that those people are most at risk.

I agree, when you look just... average, you cross any district of an European city at any time and no one cares. I have done it lots of times, one pickpocketing and one unsuccessful attempted robbery in my whole life history, both outside the "bad" districts.
I've also experienced living in a not-so-good neighborhood. I got out as soon as I could because I simply didn't belong there - but when it comes to safety, as my mother expressed it - local lowlives say good evening to her because they know she knows their mothers. When something was stolen from us, our neighbor knew where to go and what to say to get it back. I hated living there because of low tolerance for my quirks but most people were generally okay and you didn't have to be in any gang to have a peaceful life.

Last week I intervened in a conflict between a man in his 50's who was being threatening towards a woman in her thirties. It was just a case of telling her that she should call the police and pointing out to the guy that he was on camera. I gave my details to the woman and the guy desisted. If the conflict had involved a group of teenagers, even 13 year olds, I would have called the police from a safe distance.



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28 Oct 2019, 3:16 am

Stricter gun control is probably one reason, better health care and safety nets for ordinary citizens another. I'm sure there are others too, but these are the first that come to mind.



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28 Oct 2019, 3:29 am

What comes to my mind is less segregation. Some of the European cities do have "ghettos" - mostly Arabic, not black - and these cities tend to be less safe than the ones where locals and immigrants live mixed.
It's the huge difference between Belgium and the Netherlands, very pronounced a few years ago after the Charlie Hebdo attacks.


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