Is it really worth keeping everyone isolated?

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Davideus85
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05 Sep 2020, 3:05 pm

Is it really worth keeping everyone isolated in order to keep people "safe" ? Personally, this situation has really pushed me to my limits mentally and emotionally. Can't go to the gym, can't attend social groups, school, church, nothing. Lost my job. Can't even receive therapy and attend support groups anymore. I have almost no outlet for my social, emotional, and psychological needs. It has made me extremely depressed to a level I never thought was possible. I've always struggled with depression and loneliness, but this quarantine has taken an already bad situation for me and made it much much worse. It's probably not this severe for most NTs out there, but my point is, is it really worth long-term isolation in order to keep people from getting sick? The rate of infection is soaring regardless of all the attempts to keep people apart. I think there's going to be a whole generation of people with PTSD after this is all over. Honestly, I say it makes perfect sense to quarantine the elderly and immune compromised. But seriously, let everyone else get on with their lives.



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05 Sep 2020, 3:14 pm

This should be in PPR,there is no news story.


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05 Sep 2020, 3:14 pm

Here, most of life is back to kind-of-normal. My therapist works. Gyms have limits but they are open. Same with churches. You have to wear face mask in stores, public transport, etc. and you have to wash or sterilize your hands on multiple occasions.

Locking everything down made sense in the beginning, to buy time for gaining knowledge (the virus is new, a lot needs to be learned about it) and getting prepared. If the time for preparation and adaptation was wasted, well... it's not good.


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05 Sep 2020, 3:15 pm

vermontsavant wrote:
This should be in PPR,there is no news story.

Even Random Discussion would be okay, IMO. OP, how do you feel about moving?


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05 Sep 2020, 3:17 pm

Heck no it wasn't. And the power that it has given to certain parties to violate our rights and disrupt our routines is the worst part. It is sure to be abused again.


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05 Sep 2020, 5:12 pm

It's worth it for us if it keeps mum out of hospital and alive. She could've died at 29, I'm not having her die before she's at least 70.

That said, she's not at risk of losing her job. She can hopefully work from home rather than being forced into various working environments (she's a peripatetic teacher so she has many work environments normally).

It must be really hard for anyone who's lost their job, I'm sorry about that :(

If someone's low risk then they should be allowed back to work so long as they promise not to have long conversations face to face with people who are high risk and to avoid being near people who are high risk for long periods of time.

If someone's high risk then yes, it's worth staying home.

If someone's not high risk but can't avoid people who are high risk then again, it's worth it. Like if the person you live with is high risk for eg.

It's worth everyone avoiding things which aren't essential, just enjoyable. Find new hobbies. I'm atheist but my dad found a way to connect with his church online. But medical things and things like your job - that's different. If someone's low risk and only in touch with other low risk people then losing their job seems unfair, if it's something they can't do from home.

And honestly? Mum's been into hospital to keep her actual present disease at bay. Everyone ought to be able to go to the dr/hospital for essential things. Hospitals are probably some of the safest places out there, they're used to all this mask and hand sanitiser business.


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05 Sep 2020, 10:46 pm

Its a case of cutting your nose to spite your face,

The countries destroying their economies and livelihoods in order to protect a few people in nursing homes.

This has accelerated the rise of China who have maybe caught up 20 years now in becoming the most powerful player on this planet.

It's already happened so its now a case of waiting....



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06 Sep 2020, 12:22 am

I think it was a good idea at the beginning of the pandemic - the idea being that a hard lockdown at the start, if successful, can save a lot of pain down the track.

Just look at China, they locked down the entire city of Wuhan - what was it, about 2 million people? - but it paid off for them in the long term, most parts of China remain free of covid, I understand.

It was short-term pain for long-term gain.

The bigger problem comes when the lockdowns aren't quite fast and hard enough to eliminate covid and they turn into long-term pain. Plus it's hard to tell whether those in charge are properly weighing up the pros and cons.



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06 Sep 2020, 12:43 am

MrsPeel wrote:
I think it was a good idea at the beginning of the pandemic - the idea being that a hard lockdown at the start, if successful, can save a lot of pain down the track.

Just look at China, they locked down the entire city of Wuhan - what was it, about 2 million people? - but it paid off for them in the long term, most parts of China remain free of covid, I understand.

It was short-term pain for long-term gain.

The bigger problem comes when the lockdowns aren't quite fast and hard enough to eliminate covid and they turn into long-term pain. Plus it's hard to tell whether those in charge are properly weighing up the pros and cons.


In my view harsh lockdowns are a reaction to incompetence at the beginning in not taking the pandemic seriously enough and not making use of stricter/harsher security measures in handling returning travellers who are responsible for 100% of the infections.



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06 Sep 2020, 1:24 am

I feel your frusturation, bro. The way things are here in Iowa are exactly what magz described and even I'm feeling frusturated. It is screwed up that California is being more stricter. When a vaccine and/or treatment becomes available it could very well not be as bad even in CA, so I will say that I am worried about you making an impulsive decision to move out of the state when there's a good chance thing will be better in a year or less. Do you have any out of state family that you can go stay with?


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06 Sep 2020, 2:01 am

Yes, it is worth keeping everyone isolated to keep people from dying.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/05/worl ... k-225dfa2f

Because some people can be so so selfish and we have not made enough progress yet in getting transmission under control.

I’m sorry you are suffering.
The good, caring, conscientious people are all suffering.
I think this disease can be worse though.
Your therapist can’t talk to you individually or in a group by online video call? That seems very neglectful.
I hope you can find some alternative support system online.



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06 Sep 2020, 2:25 am

CubsBullsBears wrote:
I feel your frusturation, bro. The way things are here in Iowa are exactly what magz described and even I'm feeling frusturated. It is screwed up that California is being more stricter. When a vaccine and/or treatment becomes available it could very well not be as bad even in CA, so I will say that I am worried about you making an impulsive decision to move out of the state when there's a good chance thing will be better in a year or less. Do you have any out of state family that you can go stay with?


I'm the State of Victoria in Australia and we have been imprisoned by stage 4 lockdown since June and stage 3 since April. I can't get a haircut



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06 Sep 2020, 3:19 am

Just for the sake of convenance, moved the topic to Random Discussion.


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06 Sep 2020, 3:21 am

I know what you mean. I couldn’t get a haircut for 5 months. Pain in the tushey.



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06 Sep 2020, 4:11 am

I'm thinking of purchasing a head band like Richard Simmons :lol:



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06 Sep 2020, 4:55 am

cyberdad wrote:
Its a case of cutting your nose to spite your face,

The countries destroying their economies and livelihoods in order to protect a few people in nursing homes.

This has accelerated the rise of China who have maybe caught up 20 years now in becoming the most powerful player on this planet.

It's already happened so its now a case of waiting....


It's not a few people in nursing homes though. That's just an ableist stereotype.

My mum's 51. She's working full time, normally in and out of places as part of her job.

She could die if she gets it.


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